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07-03-2014, 03:31 PM
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Come on then, do I need a new engine.
Thick white smoke on startup, have changed:
- turbo from K14 to TD04
- pump from Lucas to 11mm rebuilt Bosch, injectors & lines
- glowplugs for brand new duraterms
- fuel filter
Running out of ideas.
Is the engine likely to be on the way out?
It doesn't pull that well considering its on an 11mm and TD04 and in an uber light chassis..
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Is it using water at all?
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Do it idle ok or missing like a pig?
Doesnt even own a 306.
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(07-03-2014, 03:44 PM)mr_fish Wrote: Is it using water at all?
Not that I'm aware of.
(07-03-2014, 04:02 PM)Sambarker Wrote: Pump too advanced?
Not that I'm aware of. Did it when it was retarded, still does it now its slightly more advanced.
(07-03-2014, 04:12 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: Pump need advancing?
Don't think any further adjustment will help but for the sake of loosening off three nuts I can certainly try..
(07-03-2014, 04:39 PM)Tom Wrote: Do it idle ok or missing like a pig?
It idles like shit and kicks out white smoke.
Once up to temperature slightly (after two-three minutes) it runs fine and the smoke dies down.
Demonstration:
On Lucas & TD04L:
http://youtu.be/r03VZXAcuQ0
On Lucas & K14:
http://youtu.be/MegWGbf5CpU
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I'd say the timing is out on the pump
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(07-03-2014, 05:08 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: I'd say the timing is out on the pump
Anyone fancy sorting it out for me then! Got an engine that needs ripping out of a scrap cherry DT too come to think of it!
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It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
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Mine was like this I advanced pump and it's gone completely 
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(07-03-2014, 05:14 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
Sorry I was having a blonde moment, I thought you meant the belt was out of time (skipped a tooth).
(07-03-2014, 05:26 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: Mine was like this I advanced pump and it's gone completely
Ok sweet, will give it a whirl!
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(07-03-2014, 05:14 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
What he said Bought a very cheap 306 off a mate a while ago that did that on cold start. It flew after I adjusted the pump and the problem went away.
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mine was doing same after we fitted the motor, pump just needed advancing.
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Ide still say that's an injector issue, your timing sounds ok.
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(07-03-2014, 10:57 PM)padge Wrote: mine was doing same after we fitted the motor, pump just needed advancing.
It wouldn't start intially so we advanced it and it would start (like it does now) and clear up after being run. But yeah, as suggested by everyone will try tweak it tomorrow after work!
(08-03-2014, 12:58 AM)Dave Wrote: Ide still say that's an injector issue, your timing sounds ok.
Hmm. I do have a spare XUD motor with a bosch on I could whip the injectors off of but it did it before on Lucas injectors (which have since been changed for bosch's).
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How much coolant is it using if it is?
Also if the engine had been sat after being hot for a few hours, if you undo the header tank cap is there loads of pressure still in the system?
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(08-03-2014, 10:42 AM)Paul_13 Wrote: How much coolant is it using if it is?
Also if the engine had been sat after being hot for a few hours, if you undo the header tank cap is there loads of pressure still in the system?
It's not using any.
No idea mate.
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Hmm what was you getting at with the built up pressure?
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Coolant pressurising meaning headgasket has gone d2xud
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Have looked at these vids on a pc, your first video is defo either an injector/pump timing issue. And the second video I reckon its an injector missing. Like alot of other people have said try putting a little more timing on it.
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Adjusting pump tomorrow.
Here's a few videos from today after it hasn't been started for a month!
From cold:
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After few minutes:
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Random ragging:
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Didn't get around to adjusting timing instead managed to snap a subframe bolt and cross thread another.
Had enough of it gonna break it for parts and get a 306, ideally a ph3 T reg or newer that I can put a XUD in and my private plate.
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That sucks Trent...should never had got rid of that hdi after the time and money spent on it
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(14-03-2014, 09:12 PM)devils_fuel Wrote: That sucks Trent...should never had got rid of that hdi after the time and money spent on it
Meh, wanted to stay in halls for 1st year of uni which meant selling it to make up money I didn't have.
Glad I did though or I'd never of had this beast which led me onto love XUD's! -
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Should have kept the HDI Trent IMO, it looked sweet after the blow over and FMIC. The HDI was faultless compared to the XUD...
...should have sold your body instead 
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(20-03-2014, 08:20 PM)devils_fuel Wrote: Should have kept the HDI Trent IMO, it looked sweet after the blow over and FMIC. The HDI was faultless compared to the XUD...
...should have sold your body instead
That was back in the day when they were still worth a good couple of thousand so could justify spending money on paint/body.
To be fair I think it needed a battery but that was it!
Was on its way to needing a clutch too on Whippys stage 2 IIRC!
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Pfft what ever Trevor 
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I'd start poking DumDum to bring your stalk and my exhaust manifold if I were you!
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Why...are you stroking him?
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