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White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 07-03-2014
Come on then, do I need a new engine.
Thick white smoke on startup, have changed:
- turbo from K14 to TD04
- pump from Lucas to 11mm rebuilt Bosch, injectors & lines
- glowplugs for brand new duraterms
- fuel filter
Running out of ideas.
Is the engine likely to be on the way out?
It doesn't pull that well considering its on an 11mm and TD04 and in an uber light chassis..
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - mr_fish - 07-03-2014
Is it using water at all?
White Smoke - New Engine? - Sambarker - 07-03-2014
Pump too advanced?
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Chris_90 - 07-03-2014
Pump need advancing?
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Tom - 07-03-2014
Do it idle ok or missing like a pig?
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 03:44 PM)mr_fish Wrote: Is it using water at all?
Not that I'm aware of.
(07-03-2014, 04:02 PM)Sambarker Wrote: Pump too advanced?
Not that I'm aware of. Did it when it was retarded, still does it now its slightly more advanced.
(07-03-2014, 04:12 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: Pump need advancing?
Don't think any further adjustment will help but for the sake of loosening off three nuts I can certainly try..
(07-03-2014, 04:39 PM)Tom Wrote: Do it idle ok or missing like a pig?
It idles like shit and kicks out white smoke.
Once up to temperature slightly (after two-three minutes) it runs fine and the smoke dies down.
Demonstration:
On Lucas & TD04L:
http://youtu.be/r03VZXAcuQ0
On Lucas & K14:
http://youtu.be/MegWGbf5CpU
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Paul_13 - 07-03-2014
I'd say the timing is out on the pump
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 05:08 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: I'd say the timing is out on the pump
Anyone fancy sorting it out for me then! Got an engine that needs ripping out of a scrap cherry DT too come to think of it!
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Paul_13 - 07-03-2014
It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Chris_90 - 07-03-2014
Mine was like this I advanced pump and it's gone completely
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 05:14 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
Sorry I was having a blonde moment, I thought you meant the belt was out of time (skipped a tooth).
(07-03-2014, 05:26 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: Mine was like this I advanced pump and it's gone completely
Ok sweet, will give it a whirl!
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Paul Baldwin - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 05:14 PM)Paul_13 Wrote: It's easy to do mate. Slacken off the 3 13mm nuts on the pump bracket. Grab the pump and push the top of the pump towards the bulkhead or towards you.
It will be noticeable where the engine runs better and where it's happy.
What he said
Bought a very cheap 306 off a mate a while ago that did that on cold start. It flew after I adjusted the pump and the problem went away.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - padge - 07-03-2014
mine was doing same after we fitted the motor, pump just needed advancing.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Dave - 08-03-2014
Ide still say that's an injector issue, your timing sounds ok.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 08-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 10:57 PM)padge Wrote: mine was doing same after we fitted the motor, pump just needed advancing.
It wouldn't start intially so we advanced it and it would start (like it does now) and clear up after being run. But yeah, as suggested by everyone will try tweak it tomorrow after work!
(08-03-2014, 12:58 AM)Dave Wrote: Ide still say that's an injector issue, your timing sounds ok.
Hmm. I do have a spare XUD motor with a bosch on I could whip the injectors off of but it did it before on Lucas injectors (which have since been changed for bosch's).
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Paul_13 - 08-03-2014
How much coolant is it using if it is?
Also if the engine had been sat after being hot for a few hours, if you undo the header tank cap is there loads of pressure still in the system?
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 10:42 AM)Paul_13 Wrote: How much coolant is it using if it is?
Also if the engine had been sat after being hot for a few hours, if you undo the header tank cap is there loads of pressure still in the system?
It's not using any.
No idea mate.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - d2xud - 09-03-2014
Hmm what was you getting at with the built up pressure?
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Danny2009 - 09-03-2014
Coolant pressurising meaning headgasket has gone d2xud
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Dave - 09-03-2014
Have looked at these vids on a pc, your first video is defo either an injector/pump timing issue. And the second video I reckon its an injector missing. Like alot of other people have said try putting a little more timing on it.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 09-03-2014
Adjusting pump tomorrow.
Here's a few videos from today after it hasn't been started for a month!
From cold:
![[Image: th_IMG_3943_zps2638eabb.jpg]](http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/shivannaz/Phase%202%20Pug%20205%20DTurbo/th_IMG_3943_zps2638eabb.jpg)
After few minutes:
![[Image: th_IMG_3946_zpse3afec4e.jpg]](http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/shivannaz/Phase%202%20Pug%20205%20DTurbo/th_IMG_3946_zpse3afec4e.jpg)
Random ragging:
![[Image: th_IMG_3947_zps7a5f8923.jpg]](http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/shivannaz/Phase%202%20Pug%20205%20DTurbo/th_IMG_3947_zps7a5f8923.jpg)
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 10-03-2014
Didn't get around to adjusting timing instead managed to snap a subframe bolt and cross thread another.
Had enough of it gonna break it for parts and get a 306, ideally a ph3 T reg or newer that I can put a XUD in and my private plate.
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - Paul_13 - 10-03-2014
Oh dear!
White Smoke - New Engine? - devils_fuel - 14-03-2014
That sucks Trent...should never had got rid of that hdi after the time and money spent on it
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 20-03-2014
(14-03-2014, 09:12 PM)devils_fuel Wrote: That sucks Trent...should never had got rid of that hdi after the time and money spent on it
Meh, wanted to stay in halls for 1st year of uni which meant selling it to make up money I didn't have.
Glad I did though or I'd never of had this beast which led me onto love XUD's! -
![[Image: P1030844.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo/P1030844.jpg.html)
White Smoke - New Engine? - devils_fuel - 20-03-2014
Should have kept the HDI Trent IMO, it looked sweet after the blow over and FMIC. The HDI was faultless compared to the XUD...
...should have sold your body instead
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 20-03-2014
(20-03-2014, 08:20 PM)devils_fuel Wrote: Should have kept the HDI Trent IMO, it looked sweet after the blow over and FMIC. The HDI was faultless compared to the XUD...
...should have sold your body instead
That was back in the day when they were still worth a good couple of thousand so could justify spending money on paint/body.
To be fair I think it needed a battery but that was it!
Was on its way to needing a clutch too on Whippys stage 2 IIRC!
White Smoke - New Engine? - devils_fuel - 20-03-2014
Pfft what ever Trevor
RE: White Smoke - New Engine? - silverzx - 20-03-2014
I'd start poking DumDum to bring your stalk and my exhaust manifold if I were you!
White Smoke - New Engine? - devils_fuel - 20-03-2014
Why...are you stroking him?