Bigger blower on the cheap

[Jimbo]

Im thinking ive just about done everything to my car I can think of now I love the way it looks.its on a gov'd bosch and t2 at 22psi and it does go well. Id estimate 130bhp anyway.
Im going to get a bigger turbo I dont want to spend a fortune.
I want some suggestions so far im thinking k14-2 off a e300 td Mercedes. A td04 or a t25.
Remember this needs to be cheap making adapter plates etc is not a problem for me.
Oh and id like to keep a wastegate on it
Thanks

[padge]

td04, cant go wrong, bang for buck

[Matt]

You can put any turbo on cheap if you can make the adaptor plate, oil line and downpipe yourself

[Jimbo]

You can put any turbo on cheap if you can make the adaptor plate, oil line and downpipe yourself

I realise this. I dont want to go to lots of effort for a small gain.
Ideally 150- 170bhp

[Stephen]

i have a mint td04 you can buy

[Jimbo]

i have a mint td04 you can buy

Pm'd

[Jimbo]

Anyone else thoughts?

[samass]

I say go down the road of a gt series, you can occasionally pick them up on ebay dirt cheap, or even get ones that need rebuilt from garages for free, rebuild kits are around 20-30 quid

[Jimbo]

Has anyone proven good power on a 2052s?
I remember rickys only pulled 130 at ray west rr day

[samass]

Dunno tbh, i wouldn't rate any of the results that came from ray west... But a 2052/6 should in theory be good for about the sort of power you're after

[Pompey306mark]

I have a nice td04 with plates to mount it to a t2 manifold.

And soon a t25 on manifolds.

[Jimbo]

I know the gt series blowers are efficient just risky buying a cheap one.waiting for a bolt on td04 to come up I think

[Pompey306mark]

So like my one then.

[Jimbo]

I have pm'd you.......

[Pompey306mark]

I have replied.

[Mal]

Merc turbo should be handy to find and bolts on with standard oil feed (was it a well kept secret for years?)

I have a TB2509 sitting doing nothing if you think that'll fit!

[Jimbo]

Whats a tb2509 off?
Yeah the only pain with the merc turbo is the downpipe as it uses a vband clamp I think

[4WayDiablo]

Bang for your buck, it has to be a td04 really
The Scooby guys just want rid of them when they go td05 so they're dirt cheap
And you'll easily see the power you want :-)

[Dum-Dum]

You just need to go on ebay and look at the 99p turbos and you will eventually get something suitable for next to nothing.

[Ricky]

Has anyone proven good power on a 2052s?
I remember rickys only pulled 130 at ray west rr day

The pump governor was set up badly which didn't allow it to rev and it was de-tuned also to stop it cooking on the dyno. Once I had sorted the governor setup it was a lot better and I reckon it could have pulled 150hp on a decent tune. The torque was good though even with the bad setup, at one point it was slipping the paddle clutch in 5th.

[Jimbo]

The only thing that concerns me is the throwing of a rod. Has anyone actually pin pointed the cause of it yet? On the td04 that is

[Tom]

Yeah the rods are shit. Saying that when i took mine out they were perfectly straight and usable. Just put the hdi ones in for piece of mind.

[4WayDiablo]

The only thing that concerns me is the throwing of a rod. Has anyone actually pin pointed the cause of it yet? On the td04 that is

You can't ask why they shit their rods on specific turbos as no one forensically analyses the causing. However you can theorise that the way a td04 is built for higher rpm power and is relatively 'laggy' on an XUD they have a sharp rise in torque and power over a relatively small part of the rev range and that could be a reason why
However I think most people that pooped a rod have said they weren't anywhere near the throttle or were just cruising at lower rpm

I think its a bit of a roll the dice kinda thing
I think service history may be a factor in it. If its been kept well it would last longer

[mr_fish]

The only thing that concerns me is the throwing of a rod. Has anyone actually pin pointed the cause of it yet? On the td04 that is

keen mechanic like you....engine change in an evening...ready for the morning

[Tom]

I forgot to say aswell actually what the thread was about, bang for buck is td04 it has to be turbo cost me 50quid then plates were all free, 20quid on some 2.5" pipe for the downpipe weld it all together again free, oil line was 20 odd quid then the return line was a bit of heater hose which cost me a 5er i think . Definately cheap way to go.

[Jimbo]

The only thing that concerns me is the throwing of a rod. Has anyone actually pin pointed the cause of it yet? On the td04 that is

keen mechanic like you....engine change in an evening...ready for the morning

Just because I can do it doesnt mean I want to be doing it haha.
Mind you could get cheap engine built up with some hdi rods.

Thinking I will go td04 just for the availability of it all.

[silverzx]

Enough talk of Rods blowing! How longs a piece of string?

Lets face it, most cars risk blowing a rod after reaching double stock power.

The XUD can take a lot of abuse, live life on the wild side and hit 6k RPM daily. Yolo right? It'll be fine.

[4WayDiablo]

Mines been gov modded but most of the time there really is no need to hit 6k
Just because it can(not for long) doesn't mean you have to

[silverzx]

Mines been gov modded but most of the time there really is no need to hit 6k
Just because it can(not for long) doesn't mean you have to

Heh, was taking the piss, but seriously, providing the cars well maintained and not ranted from cold (or abused in any other unnecessary YOBO manor) then your going to be prolonging the life of the engine.

Not really seen many dyno's going past 4.7~5k but doubt theres much power up there anyway unless your running a stupidly laggy turbo.

[4WayDiablo]

Ahh fair enough

Yeah your right however the td04's do like the higher rpm's