Internals?

[sam]

Right no given up on looking for a new car for the summer so I have a bit of money set aside for something I wont plus going on a diet as i broke a chair at work so now more kebabs
So i want to build a 230+ hp dt engine but keep it a 1.9 either with 1 or 2 turbos.......

Right what I want to no what is the limit on standered internals?

Weres the best plase to look for forged rods and pistons, balanced and lighternd crank?

Is there any decent after market dt cams no ass ones like pipercross?

is there anyway to make a bocsh pump rev more?

Turbo manifolds?

Is there any point for a screamer pipe?

Wheres the best place for hybrid turbos?

And anyway to make the block stonger?

Cheers sam.....

[4WayDiablo]

Someone needs to spend a good evening on Google!
Few I personally can answer but I doubt anyone will be so happy to hand over what took them many many hours to find/learn/understand
The answers are all out there

I'll start you off... I wouldn't push much more than 180-190 on standard internals

[n0v0s]

Add some petrol mixture to your diesel, that will make it rev more like a Na petrol engine. Your aiming for a afr of 12:1.

[Just Sean]

screamer pipe will give you a hard on

[sam]

Spent the last few hours on google haha got alot of searchimg todo then right so really no more than 180 really...

Petrol? Oh never heard that ill be getting devils own meth injection in a couple of months would that work the same as petrol?

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screamer pipe will give you a hard on

Well hearing yours was savage amd I want one really really bad!

[Pompey306mark]

Ps won't get more than 180bhp on a standard clutch either.

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Devils own will cool the charge temps, but so does an intercooler.

[Just Sean]

Good thing is though you can use uprated 6 clutches = more choice...

You havnt heard the screamer pipe yet!! Seen my video in my project?

Wait till the 2nd mate. its mega!!

[sam]

Ps won't get more than 180bhp on a standard clutch either.

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Devils own will cool the charge temps, but so does an intercooler.

I no dude been looking up on some paddle clutches from germany, yeah want to make them abit cooler and ruan said itll help on the combustion side to

Good thing is though you can use uprated 6 clutches = more choice...

You havnt heard the screamer pipe yet!! Seen my video in my project?

Wait till the 2nd mate. its mega!!

Really? Insane boost leak then? Cant wait now

[silverzx]

Not too sound rude but if your planning on 220+ bhp you shouldn't have to be asking these questions.

[Pompey306mark]

Should just get the CG paddle clutch.
Yea it will help, but just remember its another cost added to running a car. Air is free, meth isn't.

[n0v0s]

Mmh, not sure it will be as effective as petrol. I once read an in depth study on this and the conclusion was that the Polyethylene terephthalate particle mixtures that are produced during compression of the diesel mixed with some petrol help improve the cylinder scavenging, and thus back pressure. This effectively reduces the resistance the pistons experience. Allowing for a more 'revy' engine. It is only applicable to IDI Diesel engines though, as DI does not benefit from the same swirl dynamics as IDI.

[Just Sean]

Ps won't get more than 180bhp on a standard clutch either.

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Devils own will cool the charge temps, but so does an intercooler.

I no dude been looking up on some paddle clutches from germany, yeah want to make them abit cooler and ruan said itll help on the combustion side to

Good thing is though you can use uprated 6 clutches = more choice...

You havnt heard the screamer pipe yet!! Seen my video in my project?

Wait till the 2nd mate. its mega!!

Really? Insane boost leak then? Cant wait now

yeah epic leak indeed!

[sam]

Not too sound rude but if your planning on 220+ bhp you shouldn't have to be asking these questions.

Still lookong up on what I can do chap want to aske people what they no so I can take what they no to account

Should just get the CG paddle clutch.
Yea it will help, but just remember its another cost added to running a car. Air is free, meth isn't.

Read up on those and asked a few people on hear the opnion on what they think, good point

Mmh, not sure it will be as effective as petrol. I once read an in depth study on this and the conclusion was that the Polyethylene terephthalate particle mixtures that are produced during compression of the diesel mixed with some petrol help improve the cylinder scavenging, and thus back pressure. This effectively reduces the resistance the pistons experience. Allowing for a more 'revy' engine. It is only applicable to IDI Diesel engines though, as DI does not benefit from the same swirl dynamics as IDI.

Ok ill have a look on that

[silverzx]

Not too sound rude but if your planning on 220+ bhp you shouldn't have to be asking these questions.

Still lookong up on what I can do chap want to aske people what they no so I can take what they no to account

Fair enough.

I'd of thought the cheapest way to getting 220+ (not including forging internals) would be:

11mm Bosch
Huge VNT or Twin Turbo
2.5"+ Exhaust (1 free flowing box)
Huge FMIC + free flowing pipework
Meth Injection or Supercharger

Thats just guesswork though really, its probably possible to make 200 on a big VNT and well setup pump alone.

[strictly_perv]

Basically there's pretty much nothing you listed off the shelf. Your going to need to put in a hell of a lot of time into just getting bits sorted, let alone fitting them, modifying to fit ect ect, only 1 person I know has done this and that's Darren. But go for it if you have the money, it would be a good read!
I'd say get a decent turbo and pump strap it on and get boostin'

[sam]

Been looking up on superchargers but need a massive pully due to the dt engines dont rev high enough I would love to twin charge it want to see how a gt2256 would be like when its at peek boost etc if it comes in laye ill look into twin turbosing it having my ko3 and a gt22 but how to make it all work would be difficult let alone a manifold as got quoted but maniflow almost 2k for a single turbo and down pipe

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Basically there's pretty much nothing you listed off the shelf. Your going to need to put in a hell of a lot of time into just getting bits sorted, let alone fitting them, modifying to fit ect ect, only 1 person I know has done this and that's Darren. But go for it if you have the money, it would be a good read!
I'd say get a decent turbo and pump strap it on and get boostin'

Ueah read through darrens over and over always somethi interesting to no, im in the prosses of fitting a iveco ko3 (35S11) and plumbing in my fmic already got a bocsh pu.p that gov modded and has a lda groumd pin going to contact a diesel tuning place down southampton tomorrow at work and see if they can do anything with the pump itself and lead me in the right direction

[Pompey306mark]

Don't think you need a twin turbo, but it would be fun.

From what most say the gt22 comes on pretty early and holds til 5000+ rpm.

[strictly_perv]

A GT22 would be better than a T25/TD04. It will deffinatly not need a K03 to get it going, if anything it will restrict it lol.

[sam]

Thats good I asked ricky about the gt20 he said it runs out of puff at arouk 4.5k my ko3 is around the se chris was telling me , plus seeing a tt xud would be a sight to see when opening the bonnet

[ozonehostile]

Incredibly well set up hybrid pump, forged rods and headstuds, enormous turbo and maybe a smaller one to spool it.

That should see you reach 200 anyway.

I'm only 1 component away from this set up

[strictly_perv]

Are you sure it's not just the govenor kicking in?

[sam]

A GT22 would be better than a T25/TD04. It will deffinatly not need a K03 to get it going, if anything it will restrict it lol.

Hmmm right so a gt22 would be ok on its own,

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Are you sure it's not just the govenor kicking in?

Huh??

[ozonehostile]

I think as darren found out in the end, superchargers end up causing a restriction due to a diesels inability to rev high enough. It's all about turbos on diesel engines

[silverzx]

GT2056s must keep pulling past 4.5k surely?

[sam]

I dunno thats what Ricky said when I asked him what did it pull to on his gt20

[Pugmarshall]

You wont see that sort of big power for long off a 2056... They don't like high boost and for 230hp it's a pretty important ingredient

And IIRC Ricky only has a small-ish shim on his Gov, my T25 with Gov shimmed solid pulled to 4900rpm or thereabouts...

[strictly_perv]

my T25 with Gov shimmed solid pulled to 4900rpm or thereabouts...

Less than standard then!

[Pugmarshall]

my T25 with Gov shimmed solid pulled to 4900rpm or thereabouts...

Less than standard then!

Only pulls to about 4200 on standard Gov and lda...

[strictly_perv]

Really? I've had 5,200 on a standard XUD'S before.

[Midnightclub]

It'll rev all the way to 5k standard but it massively cuts fuelling past around 4.2k