Tom's TDCi Titanium X...

[procta]

Not worth the hassle tbh.  Its literally only a few degrees off, most people probably wouldn't notice and I'd feel bad going back and moaning about it lol.

tom id still take it back, as they should do the job properly, not some half arsed job!

[Connor]

Tom :/

[Poodle]

You feel guilty for asking someone to finish the job you've paid them for? K... Take yourself out of your comfort zone and do it, you know it'll do you good.

[Toms306]

I feel guilty for lots of things...telling someone thier work isn't good enough seems like a reasonable one to me.

Im not sure how big you think this zone is? Was well out of my comfort zone handing over the keys in the first place! That alone triggered some rather bad internal issues...someone left a right stink in the waiting room so I waited in the airy workshop instead. I'll just leave it until the other 2 tyres are done and have F1 do it with thier electronic tracker, this was only old school lasers anyway.

[Jonny81191]

easy to sort out, just point the wheels straight and then remove the wheel and adjust it.

WHAT? After a car's been tracked at a garage you'd do that? LOL.

Not worth the hassle tbh.  Its literally only a few degrees off, most people probably wouldn't notice and I'd feel bad going back and moaning about it lol.

Take it back. It was straight before and needs to be straight after they've worked on it. End of story, regardless of what system they used. Even if they used string and a tape measure it should be right.

[Midnightclub]

^^ This.. in tracking terms, a few degrees is A LOT

[1616six]

I feel guilty for lots of things...telling someone thier work isn't good enough seems like a reasonable one to me.

How?

They've done work, not done it correctly.

How on earth can you feel bad for asking them to fix something they've done wrong?!

[procta]

easy to sort out, just point the wheels straight and then remove the wheel and adjust it.

WHAT? After a car's been tracked at a garage you'd do that? LOL.

Not worth the hassle tbh.  Its literally only a few degrees off, most people probably wouldn't notice and I'd feel bad going back and moaning about it lol.

Take it back. It was straight before and needs to be straight after they've worked on it. End of story, regardless of what system they used. Even if they used string and a tape measure it should be right.

yeah I have done jonny, if tom isn't happy about telling them to sort the problem, then he might as well just do it.

[Toms306]

I feel guilty for lots of things...telling someone thier work isn't good enough seems like a reasonable one to me.

How?

They've done work, not done it correctly.

How on earth can you feel bad for asking them to fix something they've done wrong?!

How would you feel if I said you were shit at your job? I wouldn't want to make someone else feel bad.

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easy to sort out, just point the wheels straight and then remove the wheel and adjust it.

WHAT? After a car's been tracked at a garage you'd do that? LOL.

yeah I have done jonny, if tom isn't happy about telling them to sort the problem, then he might as well just do it.

I've already explained Ford wheels don't fit like that lol. They sit on a 6 point nut, so can only be moved in massive increments.

[Jonny81191]

yeah I have done jonny, if tom isn't happy about telling them to sort the problem, then he might as well just do it.

Do you actually understand what wheel alignment is? If not, I'll happily explain it to you but if you do you should know it's not exactly going to fix the problem is it?

[Toms306]

The wheels are aligned fine, as in both straight forward...its just that the steering wheel wasn't set right so now hangs slightly. In a 306 you could just do what Procta says to rectify that...

[Connor]

Tom you're not telling someone they're shit at their job, they just didn't do it right, it happens, ive had wonkey steering wheels after tracking a car, but I road test it to check and readjust if necessary. Plus how will they ever fix something if they don't know they did it wrong?

[Toms306]

Well if I'm ever in Bristol I'll let you track it then. (That's the point I'm supposed to get from that, right? ).

The same guy has been working there for years, he's done me loads of tyres (only one to properly balance clones!) and tracking before as well. I'd feel awful telling him it was wrong.

It's probably my fault anyway for waiting and inadvertently rushing them a bit. If I'd left it probably have been alright, I'll find a way to leave it next time.

[procta]

yeah I have done jonny, if tom isn't happy about telling them to sort the problem, then he might as well just do it.

Do you actually understand what wheel alignment is? If not, I'll happily explain it to you but if you do you should know it's not exactly going to fix the problem is it?

The wheels are aligned fine, as in both straight forward...its just that the steering wheel wasn't set right so now hangs slightly.  In a 306 you could just do what Procta says to rectify that...

thanks tom for backing me up on that,

[Connor]

Feel free tom, we've just had a brand new hunter system installed. But the point I was trying to make is that it can happen, you just have to readjust it, you're not calling anyone shit. But you paid for something you havent received

[Toms306]

Hmm, that is a fair point I guess.

[Connor]

I'd fully expect a customer to come back pissed off if they had a wonkey steering wheel. I'd be the same.

[Poodle]

As above, i'd want somebody to let me know if i was getting it wrong.

yeah I have done jonny, if tom isn't happy about telling them to sort the problem, then he might as well just do it.

Do you actually understand what wheel alignment is? If not, I'll happily explain it to you but if you do you should know it's not exactly going to fix the problem is it?

The wheels are aligned fine, as in both straight forward...its just that the steering wheel wasn't set right so now hangs slightly.  In a 306 you could just do what Procta says to rectify that...

thanks tom for backing me up on that,

I think you're missing the point a tad, part of the job of doing the tracking is ensuring the steering wheel is straight and central to the locks, if you need to adjust the wheel yourself afterwards then they've f*cked it up.  They won't have moved the steering wheel on it's splines, so if it needs adjusting after the tracking has been done then the tracking isn't right, is it. Ie the wheels aren't necessarily straight and the rack definitely isn't central, which is a problem. Get it yet?

[Toms306]

The wheels are straight, I was watching the lasers. Rack obviously isn't central but does that actually matter?

[powerandtorque]

The wheels are straight, I was watching the lasers.  Rack obviously isn't central but does that actually matter?

Actually, if the rack isn't central you'll get odd ackermann effects as the steering arms will have different arcs side to side.  Whether it'll make any real world difference is another matter of course, given that chances are the rest of the suspension and steering geometry isn't where it ideally should be thanks to wide manufacturers tolerances.


Problem is that the average monkey doing tracking doesn't know what they're doing, as you've found.

[Toms306]

I wouldn't say hes the average monkey tbh, as said he has done plenty of tyres and tracking for me in the past, been at the same centre for at least 5 years! But anyway, enough about tracking.


Just paid my VED, a whole £30 for the year, bloody rip off!


Apart from that, its just munching up the miles as I'd hoped it would! Needs a proper detail when the weather gets better though. Here we are in Constable Country last week (where 'The Haywain' was painted), really nice scenery completely ruined by my camera!








If anyone has suggestions of local 'interesting' places to go I try to go to one new place a week, usually a Friday, even if just for a brisk walk.

[Jonny81191]

The wheels are straight, I was watching the lasers.  Rack obviously isn't central but does that actually matter?

And there is the proof that the guy doesn't understand wheel alignment. If the wheels are now "straight" then the chances are he's not done it right. There's no excuse to have the wheel anything other than straight. End of story I'm afraid..

[RetroPug]

I'm also loving paying only £30 per year VED.

Ford 4 lyf.

[Toms306]

The wheels are straight, I was watching the lasers.  Rack obviously isn't central but does that actually matter?

And there is the proof that the guy doesn't understand wheel alignment. If the wheels are now "straight" then the chances are he's not done it right. There's no excuse to have the wheel anything other than straight. End of story I'm afraid..

It's just rushing tbh, stick the sterring wheel holder slightly at the wrong angle and then do the alignment, easily done tbh.

I'm also loving paying only £30 per year VED.

Ford 4 lyf.

Yeah its good, one less thing to have to pay for lol.

[1616six]

Just paid my VED, a whole £30 for the year, bloody rip off!

That's very expensive Tom. 300% more than a lot of cars.

I'd get shot of the Focus quick.

[Toms306]

Those ones are still expensive lol. £0 is the best one....and its what I would've paid on the 107....is rather have the focus though.

[1616six]

Those ones are still expensive lol.  £0 is the best one....and its what I would've paid on the 107....is rather have the focus though.

£30 is 300% more than £0?!

[Toms306]

It isn't. 3x0 is still 0. Its actually an infinite percentage more...

100% of 10 is 10. 300% of 10 is 30.

[procta]

well tom how you finding running two cars?

[Toms306]

Well after spending 2 days driving the '6 I cant wait to take the Focus on a long drive tomorrow lol.