Whats it worth? S16...

[cully]

My head is saying: 'Go look at it, be cautious, check everything and inspect the paperwork / HPi check it'

My heart is saying: 'Get there, fire it up, hand the dweeb some cash and make it go BWARP all the way home'

unfortunately i have a bad habbit of following my heart when it comes too cars

i did both with my 6

test drove it made it bwarp!
picked it to pieces offered price and the guy got in drove off insulted
went home disapointed
emailed him he returned email
then i was in the car with cash in hand
going to pick it up same night
and had a jolly good BWarp! on the way home too

[Matt-Rallye]

Well me and Ozone made the perilous trek out to some obscure farm this evening...

And im now the owner of a very very good condition S16 very suprised by the mintness of it! very clean straight and tidy, lad was honest about it and even gave us the tour of his mk1 golf and classic mini

Picking it up on the weekend so expect lots of pictures etc

[Curt]

Awesome one of the best colours too.

[Matt-Rallye]

Thanks Curt Zakk couldnt believe the condition looking round it, boot floor is immaculate! and bar a few lights scratches and a tiny dink in the drivers rear quarter panel it is in very very good condition.

[ozonehostile]

I was astonished how tidy it was, in far better nick than my 2002 hdi haha

Engine sounds sweet, all arches and underside are rust free, just needs some new pads and discs then reckon it'll go through an mot as it is :-)

[Matt-Rallye]

I was astonished how tidy it was, in far better nick than my 2002 hdi haha

Engine sounds sweet, all arches and underside are rust free, just needs some new pads and discs then reckon it'll go through an mot as it is :-)

Hopefully find us another little hidden herefordshire gem tomorrow

[ozonehostile]

Haha yeah hopefully

[RetroPug]

Sounds like a really great buy!

[Tom]

Sounds awesome i want

[7057sam]

Great buy

good team effect look forward to seeing the pictures

[Matt-Rallye]

Sounds like a really great buy!

Im very happy with it was amazed the difference between this and a GTi-6 when the bonnet was opened but engine runs sweet and looks quite clean.

Sounds awesome i want

It'll be for sale soon and im not greedy like i say its more about preserving a future classic than making a killing especially if its going to go to someone on here that will give it the TLC and respect it deserves.

Great buy

good team effect look forward to seeing the pictures

More zakk than anything, he knew what to look for and where to find it even diagnosed the fault with my rallye having no wipers so i have managed to get that sorted tonight, been a very productive day

[7057sam]

I had zakk odds on to buy this

Any plans for it? Is the s16 155bhp?

[Matt-Rallye]

Aha well its my turn to give zakk a hand tomorrow and take him too see a local GTi-6 that looks like a potential bargain

Only plan so far is get it back as much standard as i possibly can on a budget, and chuck it in for an MOT and see what happens if it passes i might tax it and use it while the rallye gets some loving. Eventual plan is to sell it on though as i have more cars than hot dinners anyway

[Just Sean]

I really like this! Must sell the Mondeo!

[Matt-Rallye]

I really like this! Must sell the Mondeo!

Glad you like it As said it WILL be for sale as much as i wanna keep it alongside the rallye. my collection now consists of the rallye, this S16, an XSi (breaking) a mk1 clio 16v and my megane 225 Sold my Dturbo last weekend in preparation of S16 space

[Alan_M]

Reminds me of my old Cassack S16 from a few years back which Alan_M on here ended up buying a year or two later off the guy I sold it to.

'Mud'! Only became mine when it broke though...you know the score there

[Frosty]

I had zakk odds on to buy this

Any plans for it? Is the s16 155bhp?

Yep S16 is 155bhp standard

[Matt-Rallye]

I had zakk odds on to buy this

Any plans for it? Is the s16 155bhp?

Yep S16 is 155bhp standard

Thanks for that looks weird under the bonnet compared with what im used too!

[Piggy]

Sweet news.

What makes the 12bhp difference then?

Is the S16 still 6speed?

[Mattcheese31]

Sweet news.

What makes the 12bhp difference then?

Is the S16 still 6speed?

noob lol . . . .no it's 5 speed, however the s16 engine is potentially better than the gti 6, can make big power with some work . .

[Piggy]

Just wondered coz frosty is running a 6spd box in his and I did think they were 5speed.

So then, high and mighty Matt, what does make the 12bhp difference?

[Mattcheese31]

Just wondered coz frosty is running a 6spd box in his and I did think they were 5speed.

So then, high and mighty Matt, what does make the 12bhp difference?

a few things iirc, the manifold isn't as good as the standard one on the 6, they are different compression ratio . . . .i believe the s16 is quite similar to the T16 though and they are supposed to respond very well to mods . . .

[Piggy]

Ah righto.
Not a parts bin special then.

So I guess a GTi manifold gets slapped on pretty quick?

Then a fat turbo?

[Mattcheese31]

Ah righto.
Not a parts bin special then.

So I guess a GTi manifold gets slapped on pretty quick?

Then a fat turbo?

throttle bodies ftw . . . .

[Piggy]

Yeah can imagine, that other lads cherry rallye with 287bhp N/A is mental...must sound like the Gods barking on full chat

[Matt-Rallye]

IIRC its a mish mash of parts between an MI-16 lump and a GTi-6 engine, doesnt look like all that much is interchangeable, i'll get an engine bay pic on the weekend for you

Shes a 5 spd piggy

[powerandtorque]

It's probably easier to list what's the same between the S16 and GTi-6 engine than what's different!

The S16 (XU10J4) engine is basically an iron block 2.0 litre version of the 1.9 litre alloy block Mi16 (XU9J4) engine, and as such they share the same head design (to all intents and purposes), same camshafts etc. The fact that the larger capacity engine is slightly down on power is owing primarily to emissions.

GTi-6 (XU10J4RS) engine uses the same basic block and crank as the S16, and has the same capacity as a result, but otherwise is quite different - head design is quite notably different, cams are different, manifolds etc. It is effectively a tuned version of the standard later 2.0 16v (XU10J4R) found in XSi 16v and various PSA saloons.

You can use a GTi-6 inlet on an S16 and it is quite common as the S16's ACAV setup isn't the most reliable thing in the world, but most of the other bits aren't interchangeable between the two - exhaust ports are quite different so the manifold won't fit, cams won't fit (S16 ones are "hotter" anyway though), etc.

What makes the difference between the two? Difficult to pinpoint exactly as they're so different, but what I can say is that with a better exhaust manifold and ITB's the S16 will crack 190-200hp making it clear how much the standard manifolds and management hold it back.

I've always said that the S16 engine itself is very good and very under-rated, but it's held back by the bits attached to it and has always been unfairly overlooked in favour of its lighter older relative or the newer GTi-6.

[Frosty]

The inlet and exhaust manifold are both different. Think the head maybe slightly different as well but I maybe wrong. My S16 pulled 159.6bhp with a cat back exhaust and a de cat and that's with 125k on the clock

I fitted a gti6 gearbox on mine as well

[Piggy]

Hmmm good info

So keen to save a few quid to buy this when its up for sale!

[Frosty]

It's probably easier to list what's the same between the S16 and GTi-6 engine than what's different!

The S16 (XU10J4) engine is basically an iron block 2.0 litre version of the 1.9 litre alloy block Mi16 (XU9J4) engine, and as such they share the same head design (to all intents and purposes), same camshafts etc. The fact that the larger capacity engine is slightly down on power is owing primarily to emissions.

GTi-6 (XU10J4RS) engine uses the same basic block and crank as the S16, and has the same capacity as a result, but otherwise is quite different - head design is quite notably different, cams are different, manifolds etc. It is effectively a tuned version of the standard later 2.0 16v (XU10J4R) found in XSi 16v and various PSA saloons.

You can use a GTi-6 inlet on an S16 and it is quite common as the S16's ACAV setup isn't the most reliable thing in the world, but most of the other bits aren't interchangeable between the two - exhaust ports are quite different so the manifold won't fit, cams won't fit (S16 ones are "hotter" anyway though), etc.

What makes the difference between the two? Difficult to pinpoint exactly as they're so different, but what I can say is that with a better exhaust manifold and ITB's the S16 will crack 190-200hp making it clear how much the standard manifolds and management hold it back.

I've always said that the S16 engine itself is very good and very under-rated, but it's held back by the bits attached to it and has always been unfairly overlooked in favour of its lighter older relative or the newer GTi-6.

What he said!

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[quote='powerandtorque' pid='396819' dateline='1393323455']
It's probably easier to list what's the same between the S16 and GTi-6 engine than what's different!

The S16 (XU10J4) engine is basically an iron block 2.0 litre version of the 1.9 litre alloy block Mi16 (XU9J4) engine, and as such they share the same head design (to all intents and purposes), same camshafts etc. The fact that the larger capacity engine is slightly down on power is owing primarily to emissions.

GTi-6 (XU10J4RS) engine uses the same basic block and crank as the S16, and has the same capacity as a result, but otherwise is quite different - head design is quite notably different, cams are different, manifolds etc. It is effectively a tuned version of the standard later 2.0 16v (XU10J4R) found in XSi 16v and various PSA saloons.

You can use a GTi-6 inlet on an S16 and it is quite common as the S16's ACAV setup isn't the most reliable thing in the world, but most of the other bits aren't interchangeable between the two - exhaust ports are quite different so the manifold won't fit, cams won't fit (S16 ones are "hotter" anyway though), etc.

What makes the difference between the two? Difficult to pinpoint exactly as they're so different, but what I can say is that with a better exhaust manifold and ITB's the S16 will crack 190-200hp making it clear how much the standard manifolds and management hold it back.

I've always said that the S16 engine itself is very good and very under-rated, but it's held back by the bits attached to it and has always been unfairly overlooked in favour of its lighter older relative or the newer GTi-6.

What he said!

So a gti6 exhaust manifold can't be put on a S16?