Posts: 1,804
Threads: 129
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation:
11
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
I recently bought the PPC mag and noticed they had a feature on tuning the 306 and in that they mentioned the XUD and making the most of it.
They mentioned fitting a hybrid turbo, transit pump head, Xsantia injectors, bigger bore fuel lines and banjo's and fitting an electronic lift pump to kick in when on boost to supply extra fuel.
Quite an interesting read for you 306 owners as I was expecting it to be quite inaccurate when it came to the XUD part.
I am curious about this inline pump though discuss.....
Stage 2 XUD Sedan
Posts: 1,345
Threads: 119
Joined: Jan 2012
Reputation:
15
Location: Rotherham/Sheffield
Car Model/Spec: Ph1 Diablo DT
Thanks: 0
Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
From what iv read before the inline pump isnt beneficial and be more of problem than a solution
Perv 106 1.4 xs First Pug Love - Scrapped
Perv 306 1.6 5 Door Hore - Sold
110bhp 207 Hdi Sport - Used as a Brake
173bhp T25 Ph1 Diablo Dturbo - Scrapped
Thirsty Bitch Volvo 850 Estate - Sold
51bhp Berlingo Nad DT Van - Sold
Slow as f*ck Dispatch Work Horse
www.prestige-auto-care.co.uk
Posts: 1,978
Threads: 94
Joined: Sep 2012
Reputation:
7
Car Model/Spec: 205 coming soon
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Xsantia injectors are the same as pug ones aren't they?
Official Team Go-NAD fan club
Posts: 10,864
Threads: 117
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
119
Location: Southampton
Car Model/Spec: 306 HDi and friends
Thanks: 13
Given 106 thank(s) in 106 post(s)
26-05-2013, 10:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 26-05-2013, 10:48 PM by Poodle.)
Their HDi info was shite though. Really disappointed tbh, whoever wrote it didn't have a clue.
Posts: 1,345
Threads: 119
Joined: Jan 2012
Reputation:
15
Location: Rotherham/Sheffield
Car Model/Spec: Ph1 Diablo DT
Thanks: 0
Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
Haven't read the mag but the info is probably just a 5 minute quick google search copy and paste jobbie.
Perv 106 1.4 xs First Pug Love - Scrapped
Perv 306 1.6 5 Door Hore - Sold
110bhp 207 Hdi Sport - Used as a Brake
173bhp T25 Ph1 Diablo Dturbo - Scrapped
Thirsty Bitch Volvo 850 Estate - Sold
51bhp Berlingo Nad DT Van - Sold
Slow as f*ck Dispatch Work Horse
www.prestige-auto-care.co.uk
Posts: 1,487
Threads: 119
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation:
5
Location: Buckingham
Car Model/Spec: MG ZS180
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
You would need to run a swirl pot with an inline/lift pump.
Posts: 165
Threads: 2
Joined: Aug 2012
Reputation:
0
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
26-05-2013, 11:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-05-2013, 08:26 AM by chrisrallye.)
Its my car in some of them pictures.
287 Bhp N/A
Built by Pug1Off
1/4 mile in 13.6
Now in french car mag
Posts: 1,430
Threads: 132
Joined: Jan 2012
Reputation:
4
Location: Yorkshire
Car Model/Spec: 305 and 306 HDi's
Thanks: 1
Given 6 thank(s) in 6 post(s)
The fact that jammapic is/was on the books there maybe the source of their info
Posts: 15,646
Threads: 541
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
124
Location: Aylesbury
Car Model/Spec: 320bhp Impreza WRX
Thanks: 7
Given 59 thank(s) in 58 post(s)
Me and poodle discussed it at length the day the mag came out and there is many glaring mistakes and omissions. It was written by pug1off so read into that what you will.
Would of been written better if JP had done it.
Posts: 5,205
Threads: 91
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
83
Location: Oxfordshire/Cornwall
Car Model/Spec: Moonstone DT/Volvo V50
Thanks: 2
Given 41 thank(s) in 41 post(s)
Says a lot if it's Pug1Off - they know their stuff about certian areas, but IMHO they seem to produce information which is often incorrect...
Understandably they have a business to run, but will often make a problem seem more complex than it actually is if they can solve it for a fee...
Also a lift pump when on boost to increase on boost fuelling rate? LOL - that's so wrong it's unreal. The Transit head thing is purely copied from what people have said and they've heard, Xantia injectors are identical and it's well known that Indirect Injection injectors are NOT of restriction, there's many other issues to overcome first which a restriction on injection length.
Typical of people applying Direct Injection tuning techniques to IDI engines.
(16-05-2016, 10:45 AM)Toms306 Wrote: Oh I don't care about the stripped threads lol, that's easily solved by hammering the bolt in. Nanstone GTD5 GT17S - XUD9TE
Volvo V50 D5 R-Design SE Sport - Daily cruise wagon.
Posts: 5,946
Threads: 141
Joined: Oct 2012
Reputation:
35
Location: Herefordshire
Car Model/Spec: 106 rallye, GTi6, Hdi dturbo
Thanks: 3
Given 14 thank(s) in 14 post(s)
surprised they said nothing about remapping xud's or something along those lines
Current stable
'09 Mercedes E320cdi wagon
'99 306 gti6
Posts: 4,660
Threads: 343
Joined: Jul 2012
Reputation:
15
Location: Chesterfield
Car Model/Spec: 106 gti / 306 hdi estate
Thanks: 4
Given 3 thank(s) in 3 post(s)
(27-05-2013, 12:28 PM)ozonehostile Wrote: surprised they said nothing about remapping xud's or something along those lines
^^^ this wasnt a black box mentioned ???
Posts: 5,205
Threads: 91
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
83
Location: Oxfordshire/Cornwall
Car Model/Spec: Moonstone DT/Volvo V50
Thanks: 2
Given 41 thank(s) in 41 post(s)
Or a box to increase injection pressure, that's the usual one.
(16-05-2016, 10:45 AM)Toms306 Wrote: Oh I don't care about the stripped threads lol, that's easily solved by hammering the bolt in. Nanstone GTD5 GT17S - XUD9TE
Volvo V50 D5 R-Design SE Sport - Daily cruise wagon.
Posts: 165
Threads: 2
Joined: Aug 2012
Reputation:
0
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Pug1off did not write it all.
287 Bhp N/A
Built by Pug1Off
1/4 mile in 13.6
Now in french car mag
Posts: 15,646
Threads: 541
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
124
Location: Aylesbury
Car Model/Spec: 320bhp Impreza WRX
Thanks: 7
Given 59 thank(s) in 58 post(s)
^^ They are the only ones credited with it so it looks bad on them.
Posts: 165
Threads: 2
Joined: Aug 2012
Reputation:
0
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Well they r not they only ones in the mag i got.
287 Bhp N/A
Built by Pug1Off
1/4 mile in 13.6
Now in french car mag
Posts: 15,646
Threads: 541
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
124
Location: Aylesbury
Car Model/Spec: 320bhp Impreza WRX
Thanks: 7
Given 59 thank(s) in 58 post(s)
Really, I must of misread it. Who else is credited?
Edit: found it, pug sport racing, who are they then?
I might actually write to the mag and point out the inaccuracies and omissions (ive been talking about this for a month now and not got round to it lol)
Posts: 162
Threads: 18
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
0
Location: Hereford
Car Model/Spec: 205 dTurbo
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Pugsport Racing is Carl Chambers AFAIK?
Posts: 3,441
Threads: 150
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
14
Location: Beccles, Suffolk
Car Model/Spec: 306 HDI
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Yeah that's Carl,
Fairly local to me, SRowell and Toms306
LINK
306 HDI, soon to be XUD
Posts: 10,864
Threads: 117
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
119
Location: Southampton
Car Model/Spec: 306 HDi and friends
Thanks: 13
Given 106 thank(s) in 106 post(s)
Haha so two so-called professionals contributed to that disaster? Oh dear..
Posts: 4,604
Threads: 90
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
54
Location: Cornwall
Car Model/Spec: 1996 306 DT M-TDI/16
Thanks: 0
Given 20 thank(s) in 18 post(s)
Neither of those people are "so called professionals" in diesel though... so not suprising at all, but why they were used to write it who knows.
| Dyno Power Runs & Steady State Facilities Available, Just Ask Anytime |
| #DervMafia |
Posts: 13,881
Threads: 476
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
81
Location: Ipswich
Car Model/Spec: 306 Rallye
Thanks: 4
Given 104 thank(s) in 102 post(s)
Posts: 2,083
Threads: 106
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
7
Location: Manchester
Car Model/Spec: GTi-6
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
Was I not credited? I gave James Winstanley an hour of my time on the phone and talked him through a load of XUD stuff... some other thing I didn't talk about seem to have made it into the XUD section though, and that's just wrong...
JP
Posts: 4,926
Threads: 266
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
18
Location: Somerset
Car Model/Spec: 205 DTurbo
Thanks: 73
Given 7 thank(s) in 7 post(s)
Meh, who cares, we all know the truth of the XUD's.
Boring out banjo's and bigger fuel lines? Really...?
Posts: 2,083
Threads: 106
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
7
Location: Manchester
Car Model/Spec: GTi-6
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
I did it, it seemed to work ok!
JP
Posts: 10,864
Threads: 117
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
119
Location: Southampton
Car Model/Spec: 306 HDi and friends
Thanks: 13
Given 106 thank(s) in 106 post(s)
(16-06-2013, 12:28 PM)silverzx Wrote: Meh, who cares, we all know the truth of the XUD's.
Boring out banjo's and bigger fuel lines? Really...?
That would mean less restriction, yeah.
Posts: 4,883
Threads: 198
Joined: Jan 2012
Reputation:
135
Location: Not near you
Thanks: 0
Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
(16-06-2013, 12:28 PM)silverzx Wrote: Meh, who cares, we all know the truth of the XUD's.
Boring out banjo's and bigger fuel lines? Really...?
^^this
Maybe at one point yeah, something worth looking at, can't say many people have reached the point the fuel lines are a restriction
Posts: 4,926
Threads: 266
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
18
Location: Somerset
Car Model/Spec: 205 DTurbo
Thanks: 73
Given 7 thank(s) in 7 post(s)
(16-06-2013, 01:37 PM)cwspellowe Wrote: ^^this
Maybe at one point yeah, something worth looking at, can't say many people have reached the point the fuel lines are a restriction
This is what I was thinking, surely the standard lines are fine..
Posts: 4,604
Threads: 90
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation:
54
Location: Cornwall
Car Model/Spec: 1996 306 DT M-TDI/16
Thanks: 0
Given 20 thank(s) in 18 post(s)
Standard lines are very restrictive, everything from the outlets on the tank pickup, through the lines, filter, and inlet trace in a VE body is very restrictive, this is why IP drops under high rpm / high power cars, its just not noticed as people dont drive them hard to enough on the road to emtpy the pump body enough to cause a "conk out" but it still dramatically effects your timing curve / power delivery.
| Dyno Power Runs & Steady State Facilities Available, Just Ask Anytime |
| #DervMafia |
|