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(23-07-2012, 08:00 PM)Matt Wrote: Looking good bro! Bout bloody time! This means mines going to have to be shiney on Saturday if you come down so it's not shown up lol Yep, Im tempted to see if I can take saturday off so I can actually be some use.
(23-07-2012, 08:08 PM)Jonny b Wrote: Chris the weigh bridge up in Wycombe has 4 individual pads you drive the car on! Might pop up and ask em what the deal is tomorow after work Sounds good to me mate, Let me know. Could do a 306oc weighbridge meet.
(23-07-2012, 08:17 PM)lewisdmz Wrote: Lovely! Please take good care of this one, no one cares about tractor BMWs anyways... I will, I paid for a years tax to prove I intend to keep it.
(23-07-2012, 08:26 PM)Niall Wrote: Scrapped it yet?
What about now?
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(23-07-2012, 08:32 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: You have made a mistake with reducing the corner weight by buying Brembo's they are pretty heavy calipers, and the discs you will have to use will make it even worse.
They are some interesting things on the 6 forum about corner weight.
Lighter wheels is a good start though.
Ive not found that yet. As ever I was just gonna make my own way through it.
IIRC the Brembos are just lighter than the STD GTi6 calipers. I know the discs are heavier but Im tempted to see If i can get some alloy bells and rotors made up, this would probably eliminate the squealing issue too. Thing is discs are rotating weight as well as unsprung weight whereas calipers are just un sprung weight so Id rather have heavy calipers and light discs than vice versa.
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Yay.... 
You got a 6. And in the best colour!
Well done you... Think it will look sick with the gold 1.2's on. Nice to be a bit different eh?
 Why not put rallye blanks on too, make it a bit lighter....
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(23-07-2012, 08:33 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: (23-07-2012, 08:32 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: You have made a mistake with reducing the corner weight by buying Brembo's they are pretty heavy calipers, and the discs you will have to use will make it even worse.
They are some interesting things on the 6 forum about corner weight.
Lighter wheels is a good start though.
Ive not found that yet. As ever I was just gonna make my own way through it.
IIRC the Brembos are just lighter than the STD GTi6 calipers. I know the discs are heavier but Im tempted to see If i can get some alloy bells and rotors made up, this would probably eliminate the squealing issue too. Thing is discs are rotating weight as well as unsprung weight whereas calipers are just un sprung weight so Id rather have heavy calipers and light discs than vice versa.
To my mind you want to reduce spinning inertia more than unsprung weight...
Brembo calipers are lighter, the xantia discs that are a direct fit to the hubs are chronically heavy though. The alternative, which allows you to run bigger diameter discs is ash's 310mm kit sold over on the 6forum at the equivalent price of your average house....
The best solution, particularly on a budget is good discs pads and fluid with std calipers.
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Surprised at the lack of boost of one form or another plans tbh but really interested in what you're going to do with the weight saving and also the Brembos as the old kits from Ash are hard to come by now he' stopped making them.
You gonna get a bracket made up and look at bells & rotors or just look at other one-piece disc options? I'd eventually like to look into getting a bracket made up to fit Brembos and some 2-piece discs to fit under 15s but it's way, way, way down on the list for me!
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I knew public transport wouldn't last! Looks ace mate 
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(23-07-2012, 09:32 PM)Ed Doe Wrote: To my mind you want to reduce spinning inertia more than unsprung weight...
Brembo calipers are lighter, the xantia discs that are a direct fit to the hubs are chronically heavy though. The alternative, which allows you to run bigger diameter discs is ash's 310mm kit sold over on the 6forum at the equivalent price of your average house....
The best solution, particularly on a budget is good discs pads and fluid with std calipers.
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Thats what i was saying about the rotating weight being the more important one.
Ashs 310mm kit is only for the radial mount clio calipers not the 406 lug mount ones. I need to speak to him about mounting bells so I could use other discs.
Ive already bought brembos so theyer going on
Oh and sorry for editing your post mate but your spelling made it practically unreadable, I assume your pissed on on a phone with auto correct (or both)
(23-07-2012, 09:37 PM)bongo Wrote: Surprised at the lack of boost of one form or another plans tbh but really interested in what you're going to do with the weight saving and also the Brembos as the old kits from Ash are hard to come by now he' stopped making them.
You gonna get a bracket made up and look at bells & rotors or just look at other one-piece disc options? I'd eventually like to look into getting a bracket made up to fit Brembos and some 2-piece discs to fit under 15s but it's way, way, way down on the list for me! No bracket, just gonna go for the largest rotors i can fit under them cos IIRC theres a little bit of space when using the xantia discs. Compbrake should be able to drill a set of bells for me.
(23-07-2012, 09:42 PM)THE_Liam Wrote: I knew public transport wouldn't last! Looks ace mate Cheers mate
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(23-07-2012, 09:18 PM)Alee83 Wrote: Yay....
You got a 6. And in the best colour!
Well done you... Think it will look sick with the gold 1.2's on. Nice to be a bit different eh?
Why not put rallye blanks on too, make it a bit lighter....
Rallye blanks are on my list of bits on order from pug.
Ive had a bit of a touch with pug today, my local dealer shut down, i wasnt gonna go to the next nearest one cos its in london and thats chaos right now so i went to slough and one of the parts guys I know works there. The bonus is instead of getting 10% off I now get 12%. Woop Woop!
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Hmmm 12% off? Wanna pick me up a oil filter and engine oil for Saturday 
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From what I have read off the 6 form in the past, of four or five 4 pot calipers tested Brembo's have the lowest brake co efficiency, are heavier than say wilwoods, hi spec or ash kits. I think if you are looking at lower weight and better stopping power get something else.
Also bigger disc's does not always mean better stopping. F1 cars only use 285-300mm disc's and they seem to stop fine. Yes I know light as a feather compared to most cars but also a damn sight more powerful.
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(23-07-2012, 11:23 PM)Matt Wrote: Hmmm 12% off? Wanna pick me up a oil filter and engine oil for Saturday
Yeah go on then, you want 10w40 or 5w40? do you want a fuel filter with that too?
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Whatever's best mate I've got a fuel filter I'll give you the cash on Saturday?
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Hmm reducing corner weight in a '6 bin the air con - it probably doesn't work anyway lol. Toss out the spare wheel and cage also the jack and the brace. if you have no spare wheel you don't need a jack and brace lol remove rear speakers from parcel shelf or in fact just throw the shelf. Bin the rear seats and belts and also the front passenger seat - no one deserves to share the awesomeness of your journeys in a car like this
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Heater matrix system - weighs a tonne! My 6 has to be lighter than a rallye right now :p
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wanna swop it for a corsa 
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WTF is the world coming to?
Dum Dum buys a '6 whilst I'm negotiating a sale on a 3dr HDi D-Turbo.
Looks lovely though buddy.
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(23-07-2012, 11:13 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Yeah, makes me smile every time i look at it. Missing RWD already though.
You can have a ride in mine.. or if i get the switchable maps system... maybe even a drive yourself... 
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(24-07-2012, 06:56 AM)kingy Wrote: wanna swop it for a corsa
Ask Padge, he'll swap anything for a Corsa 
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(24-07-2012, 11:03 AM)THE_Liam Wrote: (24-07-2012, 06:56 AM)kingy Wrote: wanna swop it for a corsa
Ask Padge, he'll swap anything for a Corsa
No it doesn't just have to be a corsa, it seems that he will swap anything for anything just as long as the car you give him is subsequently worse than the one he gives in exchange.................
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Hahah I could make a joke here about how you're trying to save weight so its quicker than any equivalent high spec derv ..... but I wont...
Interesting stuff with the weight saving from each corner Chris, as said best thing to do would be to remove AC and all the pipes/gash. Helium in tyres anyone?
As for Padge's car, well he just seems to be a fella who will keep his car on the road by swindling work from his mates for free, and then when they get pissed off he was swap it out for something else.
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If you're wanting to change the gas in the tyres then use nitrogen, it's more stable and about £1 per tyre at my local place
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(24-07-2012, 11:23 AM)Midnightclub Wrote: If you're wanting to change the gas in the tyres then use nitrogen, it's more stable and about £1 per tyre at my local place
Not convinced...
My only experience with nitrogen was that my brand new tyres went down really quick, I filled then back up with just compressed air and they were fine 
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Well if nissan think it's good enough for the GTR i can't see any reason why it's not good enough for our pugs As for it letting down i can't think why.. they normally use nitrogen because it's more stable and doesn't usually leak in comparison to normal compressed air!
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(24-07-2012, 06:49 AM)vlj Wrote: Heater matrix system - weighs a tonne! My 6 has to be lighter than a rallye right now :p
Have you bypassed the heater matrix then and removed it? seriously bud be ,careful, iirc ruan did a whole load of research on it and its an integral part of the cooling system. The whole system has been flow tested with is in, so by removing itt you end up affecting how the engine is cooled...
just a heads up, might be worth speaking to ruan though, I could be talking shit lol!
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Have you bypassed the heater matrix then and removed it? seriously bud be ,careful, iirc ruan did a whole load of research on it and its an integral part of the cooling system. The whole system has been flow tested with is in, so by removing itt you end up affecting how the engine is cooled...
just a heads up, might be worth speaking to ruan though, I could be talking shit lol!
Don't worry its only out as I didn't have the matrix housing when fitting everything. I've got it now and will be ordering a new heater matrix this week providing mot is successful. It will be going in
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Looks nice fella, look forward to seeing it.
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(23-07-2012, 11:13 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Thats what i was saying about the rotating weight being the more important one.
Ashs 310mm kit is only for the radial mount clio calipers not the 406 lug mount ones. I need to speak to him about mounting bells so I could use other discs.
Ive already bought brembos so theyer going on
Oh and sorry for editing your post mate but your spelling made it practically unreadable, I assume your pissed on on a phone with auto correct (or both)
f*cking LOL  No worries mate, was on my phone and couldn't be arsed to sort it out in the end!
IIRC You need brackets made up to 'space the calipers out further radially from the centre of the hub to permit larger diameter brake discs than 283 on our hubs...
(24-07-2012, 01:58 PM)vlj Wrote: Don't worry its only out as I didn't have the matrix housing when fitting everything. I've got it now and will be ordering a new heater matrix this week providing mot is successful. It will be going in
I have a spare :whistles:
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(24-07-2012, 01:52 AM)ash240970 Wrote: Gold wheels are the new anthracite - ignore the haters, they're just jealous Indeed, Id of thought people would of realised that im gonna do what i want by now.
(24-07-2012, 06:49 AM)vlj Wrote: Heater matrix system - weighs a tonne! My 6 has to be lighter than a rallye right now :p Sadly I like to be able to e mist my windows and feel my fingers. The Rallye is about 1185kg so if ive taken 25kg off 1200kg then im less than a rallye already.
(24-07-2012, 11:18 AM)Dave Wrote: Hahah I could make a joke here about how you're trying to save weight so its quicker than any equivalent high spec derv ..... but I wont Joke away mate. Im enjoying the porn noise far too much to care but defo missing boost.
(24-07-2012, 02:18 PM)Ed Doe Wrote: IIRC You need brackets made up to 'space the calipers out further radially from the centre of the hub to permit larger diameter brake discs than 283 on our hubs... No cos the xantia 288mm discs fit under.
The reason i think you might be able to get larger is everyone on the 6 forum says you cant use the 406 discs (305mm) as theyer the wrong offset, (the disc face is almost level with the hub face) not cos theyer too large. The calipers look too far out on the 288 mm xantia discs and im pondering if i can use the 307 HDi 136 (302mm) discs as theyer the same offset as the xantias. Also being a larger diameter theyll have a different resonant frequency so may well not squeel.
I suspect at the time people first started fitting brembos to 306s the 307 discs werent common whereas the xantia ones were so thats why they were used.
Ive put a thread on the 6 forum about it but nobodys answered. I really dont want to have to spend £70 on a set of discs that turn out not to be right.
Anyway a pic from the sunlight to show just how white she is
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