Pirellis answer to the British GP tyre issues

[Dum-Dum]

As titled.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2...14748.html

Basically blames the teams for running too much camber, too fast on kerbs, too low pressure, mounting them the wrong way round ets

[Piggy]

blah blah blah

Michelin ftw
Pireli ftfail

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All this pressures and camber and kurb crap, the teams have been doing it all for years with no such failures!

And why have they NOW decided to have the structure that is safer....not had that at the beginning of the year?!

Dumbasses

[Ben Jay]

All the teams have been told to run the tyres the correct what and the min tyre pressures stated by perreli

[cwspellowe]

Tbh, all this Pirelli bashing is irrelevant and nonsense. The FIA and Ecclestone set out guidelines for tyre durability which started this mess. Then after issues were appearing with delamination, Pirelli tried to combat this by producing a new kind of tyre, and a new lamination process. They tried to test tyres (with Mercedes) and there was a furore about in season testing. They tried the new compounds and constructions in Canada and three teams voted against the change. The very next race AFTER Pirelli made genuine attempts to correct what have been season long issues, tyres start blowing up. Hardly Pirellis fault, they've known about issues for a while and have been trying to correct them.

Also, everyone knows what happens to a tyre that's run outwith its operating parameters. Do the VW boys complain to Falken/Toyo/whoever if their tyres get shredded with 10deg neg camber? No, it's their fault for running the tyres like that. Likewise with running asymmetrical tyres the wrong way round, yeah they work, but if anything bad happens it's not the tyre manufacturer's fault, it's the moron who mounted it the wrong way round.

Teams were only ever advised how to run the tyres, if they wanted to run them out of operating range then they could but failures would be scrutinised and the team would be blamed. Pirelli recommended how to run the tyres and teams ignored them.

The only difference with Charlie Whiting's memo is that teams now HAVE to run them as per safe guidelines.

Look at it this way.. if a car with excessive camber and back to front tyres and low pressures were to lose control and hit a kid or something, the first place the Police would look is at the USE of the tyre. They'd only consider the manufacturer to be at fault if the tyre was being used correctly, at which point they'd then look into the possibility of a manufacturing defect. If however they found the tyres to be mounted in an abnormal way, they'd contact the manufacturer and say "look, we've had a blowout, the car had x amount of camber, the tyres were mounted the wrong way round, he runs his tyres at 16psi, could this cause the tyre to fall apart?".. at which point the manufacturer would say "well we say to run the tyres this way round, with this kind of pressure in a car of that size etc".

The blame would solely be at the car operator's door.

And Piggy, I hope you were sarcastic there about Michelin. Either that or you've not been an F1 fan long enough to remember the USGP of 2005...

[4WayDiablo]

Tbh, all this Pirelli bashing is irrelevant and nonsense. The FIA and Ecclestone set out guidelines for tyre durability which started this mess. Then after issues were appearing with delamination, Pirelli tried to combat this by producing a new kind of tyre, and a new lamination process. They tried to test tyres (with Mercedes) and there was a furore about in season testing. They tried the new compounds and constructions in Canada and three teams voted against the change. The very next race AFTER Pirelli made genuine attempts to correct what have been season long issues, tyres start blowing up. Hardly Pirellis fault, they've known about issues for a while and have been trying to correct them.

Also, everyone knows what happens to a tyre that's run outwith its operating parameters. Do the VW boys complain to Falken/Toyo/whoever if their tyres get shredded with 10deg neg camber? No, it's their fault for running the tyres like that. Likewise with running asymmetrical tyres the wrong way round, yeah they work, but if anything bad happens it's not the tyre manufacturer's fault, it's the moron who mounted it the wrong way round.

Teams were only ever advised how to run the tyres, if they wanted to run them out of operating range then they could but failures would be scrutinised and the team would be blamed. Pirelli recommended how to run the tyres and teams ignored them.

The only difference with Charlie Whiting's memo is that teams now HAVE to run them as per safe guidelines.

Look at it this way.. if a car with excessive camber and back to front tyres and low pressures were to lose control and hit a kid or something, the first place the Police would look is at the USE of the tyre. They'd only consider the manufacturer to be at fault if the tyre was being used correctly, at which point they'd then look into the possibility of a manufacturing defect. If however they found the tyres to be mounted in an abnormal way, they'd contact the manufacturer and say "look, we've had a blowout, the car had x amount of camber, the tyres were mounted the wrong way round, he runs his tyres at 16psi, could this cause the tyre to fall apart?".. at which point the manufacturer would say "well we say to run the tyres this way round, with this kind of pressure in a car of that size etc".

The blame would solely be at the car operator's door.

And Piggy, I hope you were sarcastic there about Michelin. Either that or you've not been an F1 fan long enough to remember the USGP of 2005...

QFT +1

[306Puggy]

Ah man, mentioning the 2005 USGP made me look this up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAHsKh97sGo

Damn, Bernie just as obtuse as ever (but slightly less old)! Someone should punch him in the nose! lol! I was 15 back then, I wish I could go back in time and live my life over! I would have done so much differently! I would jump at the chance to go back in time!

[Piggy]

epic sarcasm chap.

I do partially agree, however, it still is crap.

the way regs are going, we guna end up like the lower GPs where all the cars are basically identical

[306Puggy]

Wait, are you replying to me? How am I being sarcastic?

[Piggy]

No, ya dumbass. I was, in my earlier post

[306Puggy]

Heh!!

[cwspellowe]

epic sarcasm chap.

I do partially agree, however, it still is crap.

the way regs are going, we guna end up like the lower GPs where all the cars are basically identical

How can you only partially agree? Everything i've said is widely known as fact. You said yourself "the way the regs are going".. it's not the suppliers that make the rules.

The FIA have dropped a bollock on this one but they will NEVER accept this was fundamentally caused by them..