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gt2052v - jimmy3 - 19-01-2013
Found a gt2052v on the bay an was wondering if this was the right one for th 1.9 td.
Its from a volvo v70 any ideas people and do i need a adapter plate.
RE: gt2052v - the milkman - 19-01-2013
pretty good turbo pal how much? and it will need adaptor plates but totally worth it! oh and youll want an oil feed
RE: gt2052v - 4WayDiablo - 19-01-2013
Short answer is no
Long answer is its perfect turbo BUT its a VNT turbo and you will need to figure the geometry for the vanes and find a way to control them. There are a few threads about talking about VNT control and Ruan has actually done it. With some searching you'll find he has given some valuable info but there isn't much in the way of a "guide" as such. Dum dum and max Tait are currently working on vent controlled too
RE: gt2052v - Jonny81191 - 19-01-2013
The easy and proven option is a TD04l off a subaru impreza. Have a look through the XUD section and there's loads of ideas and info. But if you can get your head around VNT control then get the GT strapped on!
RE: gt2052v - Niall - 19-01-2013
Moved to correct section
RE: gt2052v - ginge191 - 19-01-2013
Yeh steer away from VNT's; soooo hard to control and get working on an XUD
Go with a TD04, seems to be the rave!
RE: gt2052v - vlj - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 10:23 AM)ginge191 Wrote: Yeh steer away from VNT's; soooo hard to control and get working on an XUD
Go with a TD04, seems to be the rave!
I always thought the non-VNT 2052&2056 were better suited for the XUD than TD04's, they just became more popular?
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
A non VNT 2052 or 2056 should be good but controlling the VNT properly is a major headache and very few people have done it well on a mechanicaly injected diesel.
Oh and yes I am working on fitting a VNT to mine, its a GT2359V and Ive got something planned but I have no idea if itll actually work well.
RE: gt2052v - Ruan - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 10:23 AM)ginge191 Wrote: Yeh steer away from VNT's; soooo hard to control and get working on an XUD
Go with a TD04, seems to be the rave!
Considering you don't have an XUD9 atm, you're always pushing people to get TD04s and not get any other turbo...
RE: gt2052v - ginge191 - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 11:59 AM)Ruan Wrote:(19-01-2013, 10:23 AM)ginge191 Wrote: Yeh steer away from VNT's; soooo hard to control and get working on an XUD
Go with a TD04, seems to be the rave!
Considering you don't have an XUD9 atm, you're always pushing people to get TD04s and not get any other turbo...
Continue......
RE: gt2052v - Toms306 - 19-01-2013
Surely the lag on a non-vnt GT20 would be awful? Plenty of top end I agree, but bottom end wouldn't you always be waiting for boost?
Maybe thats just me as I absolutely hate turbo lag but imo, if you can strap a VNT on and be able to control it properly thats gonna be the much better option!
RE: gt2052v - darrenjlobb - 19-01-2013
Just run the VNT, unless ur doing mega miles control isnt needed, and even then, id rather just have a vnt with vane override button for cruising than run a non vnt
RE: gt2052v - Ricky - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 12:28 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Surely the lag on a non-vnt GT20 would be awful? Plenty of top end I agree, but bottom end wouldn't you always be waiting for boost?
Maybe thats just me as I absolutely hate turbo lag but imo, if you can strap a VNT on and be able to control it properly thats gonna be the much better option!
Actually the lag is pretty Non existent
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 12:10 PM)ginge191 Wrote:(19-01-2013, 11:59 AM)Ruan Wrote:(19-01-2013, 10:23 AM)ginge191 Wrote: Yeh steer away from VNT's; soooo hard to control and get working on an XUD
Go with a TD04, seems to be the rave!
Considering you don't have an XUD9 atm, you're always pushing people to get TD04s and not get any other turbo...
Continue......
Im gonna stick that f*cking popcorn smiley up your f*cking arse the next time I see you.
Im gonna start giving you warnings for over use of that smiley. You have been warned.
RE: gt2052v - 4WayDiablo - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 12:28 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Surely the lag on a non-vnt GT20 would be awful? Plenty of top end I agree, but bottom end wouldn't you always be waiting for boost?
Maybe thats just me as I absolutely hate turbo lag but imo, if you can strap a VNT on and be able to control it properly thats gonna be the much better option!
Have you actually looked at the maps for the turbo? Or are you just making stuff up lol
RE: gt2052v - cwspellowe - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 12:28 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Surely the lag on a non-vnt GT20 would be awful? Plenty of top end I agree, but bottom end wouldn't you always be waiting for boost?
Maybe thats just me as I absolutely hate turbo lag but imo, if you can strap a VNT on and be able to control it properly thats gonna be the much better option!
Lag? What lag?
I know two people with modern GT20's and neither of us seem to have issues with lag
RE: gt2052v - strictly_perv - 19-01-2013
If VNT's are going to be the new craze then I'm getting off this forum before all the "my car boosts at 30psi when cruising how do I stop it" or "my heads lifted from surging" threads start appearing!
Theres alot to learn about VNT control trust me and none of it's going to be handed to you on a plate so unless your really willing to put alot of time into it then don't bother as it will feck up your car.
Stick with TD04's people
RE: gt2052v - cwspellowe - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 08:02 PM)strictly_derv Wrote: Stick with TD04's people
Yes, stick with td04's.
And keep your XUD9's out of 205's too
RE: gt2052v - strictly_perv - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 08:04 PM)cwspellowe Wrote:(19-01-2013, 08:02 PM)strictly_derv Wrote: Stick with TD04's people
Yes, stick with td04's.
And keep your XUD9's out of 205's too
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
I suppose all you need to know about VNTs is;
There are NO XUDs* on THIS FORUM on the road running a VNT turbo!
Quite scary when you see all the talk about them.
*That I am aware of
RE: gt2052v - cwspellowe - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 08:06 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I suppose all you need to know about VNTs is;
There are NO XUDs* on THIS FORUM on the road running a VNT turbo!
Quite scary when you see all the talk about them.
*That I am aware of
There may or may not be one sooner than you think, but maybe not. I'm saying nothin'...
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
^^^ Planning your next turbo already?
I know max is quite far along the way to doing it, hes just head scratching over control
RE: gt2052v - cwspellowe - 19-01-2013
Yeah, not Max. And i'm happy without the complicated stuff, not planning on changing any time soon.
RE: gt2052v - Ruan - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 08:06 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I suppose all you need to know about VNTs is;
There are NO XUDs* on THIS FORUM on the road running a VNT turbo!
Quite scary when you see all the talk about them.
Your point being?
:/
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 09:14 PM)Ruan Wrote: Your point being?
My point being that anyone who has fitted one has broken their car and anyone who has one but hasnt fitted it is currently head scratching.
RE: gt2052v - cwspellowe - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 09:18 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: anyone who has one but hasnt fitted it is currently head scratching.
Yeah, but not because of VNT control
RE: gt2052v - Ruan - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 09:18 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote:(19-01-2013, 09:14 PM)Ruan Wrote: Your point being?
My point being that anyone who has fitted one has broken their car and anyone who has one but hasnt fitted it is currently head scratching.
Still not much of a point really?
Yes, I broke my car because I kept lifting the head, then due to the fact I used the stock boost hose, I snapped the backplate off the compressor housing since the boost hose was too long and placed stress on the compressor housing - over time, causing it eventually to snap...
Anything can be done with a bit of head scratching, as said, WHY aren't people using the FREELY AVAILABLE software for VNT control that some bloke has put out there!!! Using completely easily available parts from scrap yards - he's managed to get past the problems I had and put the code out for free...
And other than the fact the code isn't the cleanest, it's damned good and works perfectly, I've tried it...
RE: gt2052v - Dum-Dum - 19-01-2013
(19-01-2013, 10:20 PM)Ruan Wrote: WHY aren't people using the FREELY AVAILABLE software for VNT control that some bloke has put out there!!! Using completely easily available parts from scrap yards - he's managed to get past the problems I had and put the code out for free...Possibly the fact that all the people Ive spoken to it that have used it are electronics experts and say it rarely worked as it was supposed to.
RE: gt2052v - Ruan - 19-01-2013
Who've you spoken to!?
It works absolutely as intended...
Judging by the fact the guy has reverse engineered a VP37 Injection Pump and has an Arduino running a VP37 happily, I'd guess he has a reasonable idea of how to write software for automotive applications!!!
RE: gt2052v - darrenjlobb - 19-01-2013
Mine was running perfectly on the VNT, it was running perfectly until the day i removed the engine for headwork...