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Turbo talk - David - 05-11-2012
ATM I'm running a GT15 with stupid amount of PSI and its instant boost. Iv got a td04 nearly ready to go on but am I right the think it won't kick in till about 2.5k, what would be a better turbo than a td04 but will kick in abit sooner?
Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere please
RE: Turbo talk - 4WayDiablo - 05-11-2012
Maybe even a little later. Depends what td04 you have as well.
My t2 kicks in around then so I'd expect a td04 to be slightly later
RE: Turbo talk - Danny2009 - 05-11-2012
Mine seemed to start building boost at around 1800 rpm and was on full blow by 2500 i don't think it's laggy at all
RE: Turbo talk - ash23 - 05-11-2012
im curently in the change from a ko3 (same as gt15) to a td04l but not drove it yet but ill let you know the difference
maybe start looking in to vnt turbos?
RE: Turbo talk - zx_volcane - 05-11-2012
TD04 isn't that bad to drive at all and for the price they go for you can't beat them
Turbo talk - THE_Liam - 05-11-2012
Think I'm going TD04, would mind a ride in a car with one though...
RE: Turbo talk - David - 05-11-2012
I got my td04l for £20 posted in the end so can't moan about that but I don't want alot of turbo lag! Had a little race with my mates 225 bhp TT last night and pissed all over him till mid range third gear.
RE: Turbo talk - CJ_Derv - 05-11-2012
Il take you out then liam ur not far from me jus in manchester nice drive to leeds tbh.
Mine is on full blow at 3k but holds that to 6k
But then again im running shitty fully rubber hosing on both sides of intercooler, need some rigid pipework as these shit hoses that came on car expand to about 4" haha
(05-11-2012, 11:56 AM)Mowle5677 Wrote: I got my td04l for £20 posted in the end so can't moan about that but I don't want alot of turbo lag! Had a little race with my mates 225 bhp TT last night and pissed all over him till mid range third gear.
just curious but what speed would mid range 3rd gear be? as you may be jsut behind him with td04 but once you hit 2/3rd gear at 3k youd be away
and if you can drive a derv propa your laughin quickshift would be a great investment to get change done quicker to prevent boost loss between changes IMO
Turbo talk - Jake - 05-11-2012
(05-11-2012, 11:58 AM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Il take you out then liam ur not far from me jus in manchester nice drive to leeds tbh.
Mine is on full blow at 3k but holds that to 6k
But then again im running shitty fully rubber hosing on both sides of intercooler, need some rigid pipework as these shit hoses that came on car expand to about 4" haha
(05-11-2012, 11:56 AM)Mowle5677 Wrote: I got my td04l for £20 posted in the end so can't moan about that but I don't want alot of turbo lag! Had a little race with my mates 225 bhp TT last night and pissed all over him till mid range third gear.
just curious but what speed would mid range 3rd gear be? as you may be jsut behind him with td04 but once you hit 2/3rd gear at 3k youd be away
quickshift would be a great investment to get change done quicker to prevent boost loss between changes IMO
He's only on a gt15, not got the td04 on yet. But a 306 pushing 180hp would be pretty well matched to a heavy bulky 220hp Audi.
RE: Turbo talk - cwspellowe - 05-11-2012
TBH, slight hijack, but i have no idea how this GT2056 is going to be. Should be interesting anyway!
RE: Turbo talk - CJ_Derv - 05-11-2012
He's only on a gt15, not got the td04 on yet. But a 306 pushing 180hp would be pretty well matched to a heavy bulky 220hp Audi.
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yeah i know hes not got it on yet
im daft but not that daft hahawell i made 169.9 with turbo manifold held on wiith 3 bolts haha
and yeah easily beat the Audi as they farr too heavy
power to weight n all that haha
RE: Turbo talk - Matty - 05-11-2012
(05-11-2012, 11:14 AM)Mowle5677 Wrote: ATM I'm running a GT15 with stupid amount of PSI
What boost we talkin'?
(05-11-2012, 11:56 AM)Mowle5677 Wrote: Had a little race with my mates 225 bhp TT last night and pissed all over him till mid range third gear.
Your mate is a terrible driver then
My Audi S3 had unbelievable traction off the line, and could hit 60 pretty quickly. I don't think a gt15 306 could stand up to it to be honest! Not trying to piss on your bonfire, but just doesn't seem normal that's all.I went in a DT recently with a completely different turbo, and it was very matched for performance to my s3. But the turbo was in a completely different league to a gt15.
RE: Turbo talk - Ricky - 05-11-2012
It depends what TD04 you have, if the long code on it ends in 501 then it will be laggy as its the HL version. The others aren't bad really
RE: Turbo talk - CJ_Derv - 05-11-2012
good question whats stupid amount of boost?? boost doesnt equal power flow is more crucial than boost pressure
RE: Turbo talk - Ruan - 05-11-2012
*Boost does equal power, its just efficiency that gets in the way
You turn them into hairdryers eventually...Read back through some posts in turbo threads from me, I'm pretty sure I've covered all the bases as far as what turbos to go for and what things affect the spool rate and efficiency... There's been some great threads on here about turbo solutions... The jist is that the more modern the turbo, the more air it'll move, with a lower shaft speed, at a higher pressure... Some of the borgwarner EFR units would simply be unreal on our engines, very modern and capable of coping with rediculous pressure ratios...
Turbo talk - THE_Liam - 05-11-2012
(05-11-2012, 11:58 AM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Il take you out then liam ur not far from me jus in manchester nice drive to leeds tbh.
Sounds good that mate, you going to the Xmas meet? Could do it then?
Pretty sure I wanna go TD04 but I just want to be sure. To be fair my new DT has a fairly healthy K14 so I might blow that up first
RE: Turbo talk - David - 05-11-2012
(05-11-2012, 01:01 PM)CJ_Derv Wrote: good question whats stupid amount of boost?? boost doesnt equal power flow is more crucial than boost pressure
I would say between 35-40 but unsure as it goes off my gauge and before someone moans about it will blow up iv only done it twice for like a second to see what it gets too lol.
RE: Turbo talk - Matty - 05-11-2012
Yea I believe you.
Especially when you raced your mates TT until at least half way through 3rd.
RE: Turbo talk - cwspellowe - 05-11-2012
35-40psi? On a gt15?
You crazy man. You crazy.
Turbo talk - THE_Liam - 05-11-2012
I'm usually a big sceptic but with a DTs low gearing and the mahoosive weight of a TT that's not that implausible...
RE: Turbo talk - Matty - 05-11-2012
(05-11-2012, 04:06 PM)THE_Liam Wrote: I'm usually a big sceptic but with a DTs low gearing and the mahoosive weight of a TT that's not that implausible...
I suppose it's down to your opinion. I just can't see a gt15 (no matter if it's boosting 35psi) is gonna out do a TT. In the same way, my previous DT on a T2 with 11mm pump etc was boosting this kind of amount...it still wasn't as fast as the S3 - not miles off, but it wasn't as quick. When my previous DT then went to a td04, obviously its performance was improved in terms of pure figures, and in my mind it probably wouldn't be toooooo far off the s3.
Obviously there are so many variables involved, and not just the cars...so, I do appreciate what people say.
But again, IMHO, I just can't believe a gt15 306 would be able to.
RE: Turbo talk - karl1989 - 05-11-2012
my T2 kicks in at 2k
RE: Turbo talk - silverzx - 08-11-2012
My T25 doesn't reach full boost til way past 4k! Laggy turbo ftw!
RE: Turbo talk - CJ_Derv - 08-11-2012
(08-11-2012, 04:17 PM)silverzx Wrote: My T25 doesn't reach full boost til way past 4k! Laggy turbo ftw!
Shouldnt be that late at all jenks kicks in wayy before 4k more fuel needed IMO lol
as for a GT15 running 35-40psi ?? serious is that possible on a chicken neck turbo, thats a tiny turbo making all that boost :S i couldnt get a T2 or K14 past 30 on a 9mm what pump u got?
RE: Turbo talk - Matty - 08-11-2012
GT15's have been known by people to die quickly at like 20psi+ O_O
And yea, T25 should peak out boost wise before 4k I would have thought.
RE: Turbo talk - silverzx - 08-11-2012
4k+ full boost drives more like a petrol.
Edit: VTEC*
RE: Turbo talk - Pugmarshall - 08-11-2012
My T25 hits full boost (20psi, would be M0ar but WG is poo) at about 2600rpm and dies off after 4k, pointless after 4.5k
RE: Turbo talk - Ruan - 09-11-2012
Hmm IMHO a GT15'd DT wouldn't hang with a TT225 - maybe for about half a second off the line as the 4WD Turbo car bogs as it pulls away and the DT just rips off the line on full torque.... Then as soon as the TT comes on boost, it'd just f*cking romp past it with no issues....
My DT would just about hang with a 225 until about 60, then it'd really start pulling away... DTs are VERY quick at lower speeds, massive torque over a large spread of it's RPM with gears that suit speeds up to about 80mph... Past 80mph you'll really feel the fact they just don't have much guts at high speed.... That's why my DT was quicker than MOST cars 30-70, there was very little that could hang when on the good old slip road, but past 80, that's where the top end of a petrol engine will take over...
Remember a GTi6 for example - until 60mph it only has times it actually has FULL power - that's about 35-40mph in 1nd and 55-60mph in 2nd... Everywhere else it's climbing to it's peak... My DT had 4 times until 60mph in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, and the massive torque as well to give a helping hand... Diesels will never be 100mph+ cars, which is why IMO they make SO much sense for 99% of the roads I drive on as it's very rare to go above about 80-90mph in reality...
RE: Turbo talk - CJ_Derv - 09-11-2012
(08-11-2012, 11:54 PM)Pugmarshall Wrote: My T25 hits full boost (20psi, would be M0ar but WG is poo) at about 2600rpm and dies off after 4k, pointless after 4.5k
What pump are you running? guess its not gov modded then??
RE: Turbo talk - Pugmarshall - 10-11-2012
My gov is shimmed solid and my lda right out.
Turbo is fecked now though, sounds like a mixture of a police car, vacuum cleaner and a wire wheel on sheet metal.