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Engine mods for gti6 track car - TomPengelly - 11-10-2015
So.. I have a gti6. I'm sorting the handling and stopping out first, then want to make it quicker...
What's best upgrades for track use?
I want to take the engine out and rebuild anyway, so what's best?
Low comp forged pistons and rods, for supercharger build, or high comp pistons on throttle bodies and Lairy cams ect??
Any advise or comments appreciated!
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - MY95 - 11-10-2015
Both this and the suspension/brakes thread depend on how much money you have to play with? People need to know this before they can give you any advice
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - TomPengelly - 11-10-2015
No set budget really... 3-4k on engine, 2k on the rest? At a guess, maybe a little more if it's worth it...
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - adam b - 11-10-2015
Do the basics, weight loss, cage, seats, harnesses, tyres, wheels, brakes, diff, good handling modifications then think about power. It's actually not that important if it weighs 950kg
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - TomPengelly - 11-10-2015
Are the standard gearboxes reliable enough? Just the diff I need to uprate?
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - adam b - 11-10-2015
A limited slip diff is more important than 70bhp more. It's nuts how much quicker it is.
Yeah box is fine, you could go to a 4.4 5 speed hybrid instead but you lose motorway cruising (5 speed is 7kg lighter though). I've had both, not decided which I prefer
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - MY95 - 11-10-2015
Engine wise you have either new low boost/used high boost setup or TB's and cams (depends which youd prefer)
Suspension wise youd want Bilstein B8s and 30mm springs
Refurbed rear axle with upgraded bars
Brakes wise - id go for some nice 4 pots with some decent pads and discs
Loads of info on this forum on all of the above buddy
Although I wouldnt sink a lot of money into an old car like a 306, but each to their own and I could see why someone would want to
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - adam b - 11-10-2015
Think the 4.4 was worth maybe 3mph on combe main straight. You gain steering lock too if you change the pas ram
B8s and eibach are too soft for a proper track car. Decent coil overs, more camber / caster depending on which diff and tyres
My car has set me back 3k but it has only very mild engine mods (it's a gti6)
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - miles - 11-10-2015
As above, you'll get more from suspension (good stuff not Gaz etc), Springs, Torsion and Roll bars, Neg camber up front, Plate Diff and some instruction on track than 250bhp going quick on the straight's as spending 3 to 4k on the engine won;t get much at all.
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - Day666 - 17-10-2015
(11-10-2015, 04:32 PM)adam b Wrote: Think the 4.4 was worth maybe 3mph on combe main straight. You gain steering lock too if you change the pas ram
B8s and eibach are too soft for a proper track car. Decent coil overs, more camber / caster depending on which diff and tyres
My car has set me back 3k but it has only very mild engine mods (it's a gti6)
I'm running b8s & Eibachs on the front of mine at Combe & can't fault them ?
I'm told the rear suspension setup is just as important on 306s ?
The Plate diff I agree from Miles made the biggest difference .
Never get into 6th on track days ...
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - cully - 17-10-2015
spend £50 on some track tuition with the std car would be money well spent
then that will give you an idea of what you would like to improve in the car
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - 7057sam - 20-10-2015
Yeah do trackday instead of throwing money at it straight away.obviously give it a good service before going out.
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - lolsteve - 22-10-2015
Without trying to sound like im echoing the others if a track car is your ultimate goal but you're fairly new to it all then would stick with the stock car and work on the skill before becoming the guy with all the gear but no idea.
The gti6 is by no means bad in stock form and with a couple of light breathing mods it'll still go well. the brakes and suspension are sufficient but just make sure theyre not tired from years taking their toll.
Power isn't everything as i've come to realize recently, I kept thinking I need more power and more stuff! but then I was taken out in a £350 118hp puma with ta technix coilovers and some plywood stuck to the front which pulled a 47 second lap against my best of 51 in a car with maybe 40 more hp and gaz coilovers.
Even on track many of us here with stock(ish) cars will find ourselves stuck behind someone in a 200hp+ Subaru or whatever which is holding us up because they cant drive but refuse to let us past out of their own pride or refusal to be butthurt
Engine mods for gti6 track car - Janne L - 22-10-2015
Here here!
My best upgrade was a new seat so that I didn't have to hold on so much and could concentrate on driving instead :-)
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - Lwilliams - 22-10-2015
Only put a cone air filter on our engine, and most people on here said it look fairly quick so can't go wrong with just a filter mate
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - insomaniac45 - 22-10-2015
for filter, may i recommend a shielded one,
use the stock cold air intake, as a bogstandard cone type will be pulling in warm engine bay air. As i found out, the 306 front end is packed, and trying to route a cold air intake to the lower bumper is near on impossible without squishing it.
You can either heat the stock cold air intake and bend it so it sits on top of the slam panel, but below the bonnet, scooping up the air that is coming into the gap, or drill the the panel with lots of holes, its upto you. I have just an enclosed air filter, and it has made a bit of a difference, esp as my old filter was prob clogged a little.
There is no replacement for displacement, well there is if you cant drive for shite...... Skill is always more important than power. If you cant get consistent good lap times, there is no point spending tons on BHP. when improving your own skill will better serve you throughout any racing hobby/career.
Wish you all the best, and hope to see your race car soon
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - Lwilliams - 22-10-2015
We cut the headlight out and had a shielded enclosed bit
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - insomaniac45 - 22-10-2015
there you go then, problem solved
, i want a pair of morettes, and have the outer N/S as my cold air intake. seen that done before, and i think it looks awesome.
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - adam b - 22-10-2015
I use the n/s inner to mine. Outer is easier to find new lamps than inner...
RE: Engine mods for gti6 track car - insomaniac45 - 23-10-2015
Thanks for the info
i will remember that if/when i get my morettes.