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Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 02-11-2014
Hey guys I'm getting a 106 at the end of the month to covert to a track car (FCS fun
) when I fit harnesses will I need a harness bar? I can't think of another way to secure the harnesses securely. Any help is appreciated 
RE: Harness bar - bigcheez2k3 - 02-11-2014
Mounting points for the rear seatbelts/buckles?
RE: Harness bar - Dum-Dum - 02-11-2014
Harness bars are dubious for MOTs according to some people.
RE: Harness bar - welshpug - 02-11-2014
theyre fine, as long as its part of a cage...
RE: Harness bar - Slam Wagon - 02-11-2014
Not had a problem with mine. Bolts onto the standard front seatbelt mounting points.
RE: Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 02-11-2014
Tyrah the lap straps I'm bolting where the existing seat belt would be just trying to find points for the shoulder straps, so I could mount the shoulder straps to the rear seat belt mounting points
(02-11-2014, 11:52 AM)Slam Wagon Wrote: Not had a problem with mine. Bolts onto the standard front seatbelt mounting points.
Where did you get yours too mate?
RE: Harness bar - welshpug - 02-11-2014
harnesses go on the harness bar of the cage.
RE: Harness bar - swampy - 02-11-2014
Attaching them to the upper mount fit the rear belts is not good as they won't hold / pull square if you need then to do a job!
Harness bars as said should only be used when attached to a cage
You will find people on eBay and the like that will make you a bar to connect between the wheel arches. , but the metal here is very thin and won't provide the strength required
RE: Harness bar - Orta - 02-11-2014
I've seen 306s with an empty back and just harness bars across the rear arches and they've been thru mots? Friendly garages maybe?
RE: Harness bar - Eeyore - 02-11-2014
okay you have a few options....
So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!
Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches
Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.
Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.
RE: Harness bar - swampy - 02-11-2014
(02-11-2014, 03:12 PM)Orta Wrote: I've seen 306s with an empty back and just harness bars across the rear arches and they've been thru mots? Friendly garages maybe?
(02-11-2014, 03:19 PM)SRowell Wrote: okay you have a few options....
So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!
Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches
Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.
Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.
Thing is you need to weld a lot if extra material in to the wheel arches to make them strong enough not to be ripped apart in the event of an accident TV
RE: Harness bar - Seb_Ryan - 02-11-2014
Do it properly or not at all. A mate of mine died because of it. He had a bar welded in across the rear arches, crashed, it it ripped most of the arch off with the bar
RE: Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 02-11-2014
May have to get a half cage or something with a harness bar welded in
(02-11-2014, 03:19 PM)SRowell Wrote: okay you have a few options....
So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!
Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches
Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.
Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.
I can't find a tegiwa harness bar for a 106, is there any that fit?
RE: Harness bar - welshpug - 02-11-2014
get a cage, job done
RE: Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 02-11-2014
(02-11-2014, 06:36 PM)welshpug Wrote: get a cage, job done
I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used
Re: RE: Harness bar - Seb_Ryan - 02-11-2014
(02-11-2014, 06:40 PM)Nathan1305 Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:36 PM)welshpug Wrote: get a cage, job done
I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used
If its only for the track.. Then 500 to save your life is nothing lol
RE: Harness bar - bigcheez2k3 - 02-11-2014
(02-11-2014, 06:53 PM)Seb_Ryan Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:40 PM)Nathan1305 Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:36 PM)welshpug Wrote: get a cage, job done
I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used
If its only for the track.. Then 500 to save your life is nothing lol
Makes a good point...
RE: Harness bar - Slam Wagon - 02-11-2014
Tegiwa ones are all the same, ignore what its listed for. Cage is obviously going to be the best option but also the most expensive.
RE: Harness bar - kentiiboii - 03-11-2014
Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?
RE: Harness bar - Jonny81191 - 03-11-2014
(03-11-2014, 12:04 PM)kentiiboii Wrote: Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?
Yeah, it ruined his tyres as they caught on the plate IIRC.
Seriously, if you're going track spec and putting buckets in, fit a half cage as a minimum. Otherwise, fit reclining buckets or s16 seats to hold you in, and use the standard seatbelts.
RE: Harness bar - kentiiboii - 03-11-2014
I'll be having buckets and harness soon. Will need something to fit them to.
But don't think I'll have the money straight away for cage. Less I can find one cheap.
RE: Harness bar - powerandtorque - 03-11-2014
Buckets and harnesses in a cage-less car isn't a very clever idea in my opinion.
In the event of a rollover, you're fixed in place and can't duck your head out of the way - which isn't great as if the A/B pillars collapse or the roof caves in, your neck gets broken.
RE: Harness bar - Grant - 03-11-2014
(03-11-2014, 12:24 PM)Jonny81191 Wrote:(03-11-2014, 12:04 PM)kentiiboii Wrote: Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?
Yeah, it ruined his tyres as they caught on the plate IIRC.
Seriously, if you're going track spec and putting buckets in, fit a half cage as a minimum. Otherwise, fit reclining buckets or s16 seats to hold you in, and use the standard seatbelts.
I used bolts that were too long
They were fine when sorted out. I've had the car supported from a block and tackle, off the garage roof using that harness bar just to prove a point. Nothing budged.
RE: Harness bar - RetroPug - 03-11-2014
(02-11-2014, 06:40 PM)Nathan1305 Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:36 PM)welshpug Wrote: get a cage, job done
I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used
Perhaps, but spending money on only a bit of the kit you need to be safe and ending up less safe than you would have been with standard seatbelts and seats isn't exactly a good investment either.
RE: Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 03-11-2014
(03-11-2014, 05:29 PM)RetroPug Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:40 PM)Nathan1305 Wrote:(02-11-2014, 06:36 PM)welshpug Wrote: get a cage, job done
I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used
Perhaps, but spending money on only a bit of the kit you need to be safe and ending up less safe than you would have been with standard seatbelts and seats isn't exactly a good investment either.
Fair point I'll just have to suck it up and buy a cage
RE: Harness bar - Piggy - 03-11-2014
Half cage isnt too pricey or heavy
RE: Harness bar - 7057sam - 03-11-2014
They's a cage on the 6 forum atm for £300 if anyone s interested.
I brought my safety devices cage for £220 which was a pretty epic deal
RE: Harness bar - Nathan1305 - 03-11-2014
(03-11-2014, 11:05 PM)7057sam Wrote: They's a cage on the 6 forum atm for £300 if anyone s interested.
I brought my safety devices cage for £220 which was a pretty epic deal
Where did you get your cage from?
RE: Harness bar - Dum-Dum - 04-11-2014
Nathan get some insurance quotes before you get a cage as alot of insurers refuse to cover them as they assume that if you fit a cage then you must be driving like you need a cage.
I would consider using the standard rear seat belt mounting points to mount your harnesses as they are ahead of the crumple zones although they aren't as good as using a cage to mount them off they will be as good if not better than a harness bar.
(03-11-2014, 12:51 PM)Grant Wrote: They were fine when sorted out. I've had the car supported from a block and tackle, off the garage roof using that harness bar just to prove a point. Nothing budged.
Doesn't prove alot. The forces in a crash will be so much greater than having half the cars weight supported off it.
RE: Harness bar - welshpug - 04-11-2014
half cage is pointless.
some insurers quote less if you have a cage fitted.