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Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Road Test! (GT2052S, 11mm, FMIC) - silverzx - 01-04-2014
As some of you might remember I had a phase 1 black 306 DT running a 9mm bosch, fmic, straight through to cherry bomb, T25 and bigger brakes.
I got rid of it for the 205 but have lost the love and have landed myself with another black ph1 306!
I picked it up with Zak the other day (big thanks buddy) and have just had a look at it today.
(My ref, ignore the below)
Displacement 1.9 L (1,905 cc)
Bore 83 mm
Stroke 88 mm
CID: 116.2 inch^3 | 1904.5 mm
VE: 83%
http://www.centralturbos.com/pop-werks5a.htm
CFM = (1/2 CID x Max RPM) / 1728
(58.1 x 5000) / 1728 = CFM 168.1
CFM 168.1 x VE .83 = "Naturally Aspirated Air Flow" = 139.5
N/A AF * Density Ratio = Turbocharged Volumes of Air
139.5 * 1.35 = 188.3
174.4 / 14.5 PSI = 13 lb/m
Quote:Basically it's started with:
- DHY Lucas & T2 with a massive hole in the block
- Lowered on cut springs (90mm?)
- Lowered torsion bar with uprated shocks
- New(ish) brakes all round
- Pressed plates
Quote:Parts in stock that can be fitted include:
- GT2052V
- GT2052S
- TD05-20G
- GT2256V (new)
- TD04L-13T (needs rebuild)
- FMIC kit
- Water meth kit
- AutoMeter EGT & 35 PSI boost gauge
- Oil pres/temp, water temp gauges, inlet temp gauge
- 2.5" mild steel (exhaust / turbo fabrication)
- 205 GTi/RG Steering wheel
- GTi6 brakes
- Strut brace
- Twin slim line fans
Quote:So current spec is:
Rebuilt engine with:
- new waterpump
- new Cambelt
- new tensioners
- new sump gasket
- new ARP head studs
- new Valeo clutch
- Rebuilt DarrenLobb 11mm Bosch pump
- New Bosch duraterm glow plugs
- New oil breather hose
- New inlet/exhaust gasket
- New oil sandwich plate
- New 3.2L TT fuel filter
- GT2052S & K-Type EGT Probe
Other stuff:
- Autometer boost gauge
- Autometer EGT gauge
- Type R Oil temperature & pressure gauges
- FMIC
- No exhaust
- Pressed plates
- S16 seats
- Uprated rear shocks
- Beam lowered 60-80mm
- GTi6 Struts/Shocks 60mm Springs
Today I had a good look around her and began tidying the bodges the previous owner(s) have left me to deal with. Now I remember why I usually try to buy cars that haven't been owned by young'ans (no offence to anyone but old people take more care with cars).
Firstly it needed a good clean inside so I set off with that.
Before:
![[Image: IMG_4211_zps5ac3bc5b.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4211_zps5ac3bc5b.jpg.html)
After:
![[Image: IMG_4217_zps6d393497.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4217_zps6d393497.jpg.html)
Fitted a new fuse box cover (under steering wheel) as last one was cable tied on.
Does anyone know what the brown plugs for that's missing the fuse?
![[Image: IMG_4209_zps1175c878.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4209_zps1175c878.jpg.html)
Also fitted new covers on both passenger/drivers side foot wells to hide all wiring/cables.
Then got rid of the gay imobiliser thing in the middle:
Before:
![[Image: IMG_4214_zps79b39e64.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4214_zps79b39e64.jpg.html)
During:
![[Image: IMG_4213_zps50f28bdf.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4213_zps50f28bdf.jpg.html)
After:
![[Image: IMG_4215_zpsa40ede59.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4215_zpsa40ede59.jpg.html)
![[Image: IMG_4216_zps9e75dfa5.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4216_zps9e75dfa5.jpg.html)
Next I stripped out the ghetto sub/amp wiring that was running down both sides of the car and fitted my 6x9's, refitted some side trim/cloth and changed both the rear lights that both had one of the prongs missing and the plastic covers:
Before:
![[Image: IMG_4210_zpse3243254.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4210_zpse3243254.jpg.html)
After:
![[Image: IMG_4212_zpsad5e69c5.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4212_zpsad5e69c5.jpg.html)
Here's a little "during" shot/teaser:
![[Image: IMG_4222_zps9907e54d.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4222_zps9907e54d.jpg.html)
Engine bay is surprisingly clean excluding the hole and related oil/rods/debris:
![[Image: IMG_4218_zps8107a23c.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4218_zps8107a23c.jpg.html)
The damage:
![[Image: IMG_4219_zps79262755.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4219_zps79262755.jpg.html)
![[Image: IMG_4221_zps60bff554.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4221_zps60bff554.jpg.html)
And a few of the bits I have ready to go:
Stack EGT:
![[Image: IMG_4230_zpsad67b51a.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4230_zpsad67b51a.jpg.html)
Adapter plates:
![[Image: IMG_4229_zps8d8ce7a8.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4229_zps8d8ce7a8.jpg.html)
Valeo clutch:
![[Image: IMG_4226_zpsdd12a0f3.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4226_zpsdd12a0f3.jpg.html)
FMIC kit:
![[Image: IMG_4225_zps98b704e0.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4225_zps98b704e0.jpg.html)
D8A:
![[Image: IMG_4224_zps3003cec2.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4224_zps3003cec2.jpg.html)
GT2052V:
![[Image: IMG_4223_zps604d9971.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4223_zps604d9971.jpg.html)
Lastly, I'm having a bit of a dilemma with the drivers seat. It's on a 5 door rail and needs transferring to a 3 door rail, a separate thread regarding this can be found here:
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-22777.html
That's all for now.
Thanks for reading.
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Piggy - 01-04-2014
Your brown plug is missing a relay for the electric rear windows...which I would think yours dont have?
Looks like a fun project
PS I got ph1 centre console all flocked in black if you interested...I just want it to go to a home now...let me know, I got vents too and eleccy switch surrounds
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Tom - 01-04-2014
Thats an autometer egt gauge... Very tidy looking car many previous owners? Milage? Bay looks clean and so does around the center console...
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - padge - 02-04-2014
sounds like its going to be a decent project
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - bashbarnard - 02-04-2014
I've got a day with a lucas
These pictures concern me.on the bright side I'm looking for another engine
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - ozonehostile - 02-04-2014
Mmmm this looks familiar haha
Yet another car my estate has recovered this year haha
And Piggys right, the missing relay would be rear electric windows.
Nice to see the improvement coming along after the mong of a previous owner haha
Oh, and I would start looking for an unmolested gti6 interior or put the original back in, I have the misfortune to have met the kid who "adapted" the seat's to 5 door subframes... Let's just say he's pretty special ;-)
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - 7057sam - 02-04-2014
Looks great
especially the bay,can't wait to see how this turns out
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 02-04-2014
(01-04-2014, 09:16 PM)Piggy Wrote: Your brown plug is missing a relay for the electric rear windows...which I would think yours dont have?
Looks like a fun project
PS I got ph1 centre console all flocked in black if you interested...I just want it to go to a home now...let me know, I got vents too and eleccy switch surrounds
Ah, makes sense seeing as it's de-wipered.
Not really looking to spend a fortune on bits like that but if you want to tempt me, feel free.
(01-04-2014, 10:12 PM)Tom Wrote: Thats an autometer egt gauge... Very tidy looking car many previous owners? Milage? Bay looks clean and so does around the center console...
That's what I meant sorry, the bosot gauge is Stack.
6 previous owners, most of the old MOT's / service history.
(02-04-2014, 12:21 AM)padge Wrote: sounds like its going to be a decent project
Hope so! Just hope I have no major issues as the engine isn't really getting a "full" rebuild.
(02-04-2014, 05:25 AM)tombarnard1989 Wrote: I've got a day with a lucas
These pictures concern me.on the bright side I'm looking for another engine
Hah! Just goes to show even the Lucas lumps enjoy throwing rods!
(02-04-2014, 06:39 AM)ozonehostile Wrote: Mmmm this looks familiar haha
Yet another car my estate has recovered this year haha
And Piggys right, the missing relay would be rear electric windows.
Nice to see the improvement coming along after the mong of a previous owner haha
Oh, and I would start looking for an unmolested gti6 interior or put the original back in, I have the misfortune to have met the kid who "adapted" the seat's to 5 door subframes... Let's just say he's pretty special ;-)
Yeah, keen for a unmolested GTi6 interior, door cards and wind deflectors atm.
(02-04-2014, 06:50 AM)7057sam Wrote: Looks great
especially the bay,can't wait to see how this turns out
Cheers mate!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Midnightclub - 02-04-2014
Deja vu haha!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - mr_fish - 02-04-2014
getton....looks a good basis!
Is she taxed and tested?
Phase Win!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 02-04-2014
(02-04-2014, 09:18 AM)Midnightclub Wrote: Deja vu haha!
Haha, only this one will be a lot higher spec / better!
This is it now, final curtain call.
All the bits I've ever wanted to do to a 306 are happening on this car. VNT, 11mm, lowering, big brakes, struct braces, leather seats, etc etc.
(02-04-2014, 10:29 AM)mr_fish Wrote: getton....looks a good basis!
Is she taxed and tested?
Phase Win!
Taxed until end of month, MOT until July or something like that.
Start my new job Monday and currently don't have a suitable vehicle to drive there..
Hmm!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Midnightclub - 02-04-2014
Fair man!
Should be a bit of a beast once it's all done, the last one went well enough on the T25 lol!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Frosty - 02-04-2014
Looks like a good base and defo some great plans!
Fellow ph1 black dt owner
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Poodle - 02-04-2014
About time you got yourself a proper car again, got rid of the fail punto already? Looks like good plans, how are you controlling the vnt?
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 03-04-2014
(02-04-2014, 10:41 AM)Midnightclub Wrote: Fair man!
Should be a bit of a beast once it's all done, the last one went well enough on the T25 lol!
Indeed, this one should be good fun, taking advantage of that low-mid range fueling Darrens provided!
(02-04-2014, 12:30 PM)Frosty Wrote: Looks like a good base and defo some great plans!
Fellow ph1 black dt owner
Heh, "black ph1 DT fwiends"!
(02-04-2014, 12:41 PM)Poodle Wrote: About time you got yourself a proper car again, got rid of the fail punto already? Looks like good plans, how are you controlling the vnt?
Errr, no it's currently waiting for a set of wheels that will hold air..
Boost can, start my C++ programming job Monday so Aurdino could be on the cards in the future, but probably not. It seems like a ball ache for not a lot of gain?
Anyway, here's some of todays events:
Firstly tidied up my FMIC kit, cleaned all the silicones as best I could, then the pipework, then sprayed it all up black so it's a bit more stealthy:
Before:
![[Image: IMG_4261_zps0f055080.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4261_zps0f055080.jpg.html)
After:
![[Image: IMG_4263_zps4538e173.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4263_zps4538e173.jpg.html)
![[Image: IMG_4262_zpsdfa8fa53.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4262_zpsdfa8fa53.jpg.html)
Digged out my AutoMeter boost gauge, thought it was a Stack one but my mistake. Doubt it'll ever be seeing 35 PSI on a VNT though..!
![[Image: IMG_4259_zps9986b327.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4259_zps9986b327.jpg.html)
Then set about making some adapter plates up for the VNT:
Templates:
![[Image: IMG_4239_zpsacbd57c2.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4239_zpsacbd57c2.jpg.html)
![[Image: IMG_4240_zps54ef5ecf.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4240_zps54ef5ecf.jpg.html)
![[Image: IMG_4257_zps612d42b9.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4257_zps612d42b9.jpg.html)
Exhaust mani almost done:
![[Image: IMG_4250_zps76370a29.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4250_zps76370a29.jpg.html)
Turbo hotside almost done:
![[Image: IMG_4253_zpsa925216d.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4253_zpsa925216d.jpg.html)
Unfortunately didn't have a hole saw man enough for the job so might have to take them into work to get done quickly.
The finished product (for now):
![[Image: IMG_4254_zps5fa76612.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4254_zps5fa76612.jpg.html)
Went pretty well considering my first attempt at making adapter plates.
Still, need to do a few more bits to them but it's a good start.
That's all for today!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Poodle - 04-04-2014
Hahaha fair enough, bugger! If you can get electronic control working right the benefits are huge, but a boost can will do the job if you're careful with your right foot i guess. Be keeping an eye on this, looks promising dude!
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 04-04-2014
(04-04-2014, 06:30 AM)Poodle Wrote: Hahaha fair enough, bugger! If you can get electronic control working right the benefits are huge, but a boost can will do the job if you're careful with your right foot i guess. Be keeping an eye on this, looks promising dude!
Yeah, well, maybe. Unlikely though. Depends how far I go with it..
This filter arrived a moment ago.
Now this is what I'm talking about "big boy" spec!
![[Image: IMG_4272_zps097750ca.jpg]](http://s467.photobucket.com/user/shivannaz/media/Phase%201%20Pug%20306%20DTurbo%20Reborn/IMG_4272_zps097750ca.jpg.html)
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - puglove - 04-04-2014
Is this the old one back or another?
Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 05-04-2014
(04-04-2014, 07:58 PM)puglove Wrote: Is this the old one back or another?
New one.
A lot ropier but it's still a black phase win.
Should be all right when I'm done with it.
[FACE SAVOURING DELICIOUS FOOD]
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Matt - 05-04-2014
looks pretty sweet black phase1s are awesome
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - SonnyRoby - 05-04-2014
(05-04-2014, 04:13 PM)Matt Wrote: looks pretty sweet black phase1s are awesome
Specially a black ph1 sedan
Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 20-04-2014
Massive thanks to Jedi Mark as always, top lad!
So engines out and shouldn't be long before she's boosting on the roads.
The damage to the block it came with was.. Impressive.. Especially considering it's on Lucas & K14..
![[Image: zuhature.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/zuhature.jpg)
![[Image: ru4yqeqe.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/ru4yqeqe.jpg)
![[Image: egybanu9.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/egybanu9.jpg)
Compulsory 306 owner picture:
![[Image: ybaby7ar.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/ybaby7ar.jpg)
Few more..
![[Image: ejy6equ4.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/ejy6equ4.jpg)
![[Image: 8a3u5ysa.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/8a3u5ysa.jpg)
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Connor - 20-04-2014
Should have said, i would have come supervise again
Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 20-04-2014
(20-04-2014, 08:46 PM)Connor Wrote: Should have said, i would have come supervise again
You can supervise it going in if you like in a week or two?
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Connor - 20-04-2014
Oh was that not it going in? Yeah sure, drop me a txt or something
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - ozonehostile - 21-04-2014
Ahh nice to see things progressing :-)
Sorry I didn't make it chaps, got too much going on at my own workshop at the moment haha
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 22-04-2014
Don't worry about it.
The donor lump needs all the shinies putting on and the bay cleaning up then in she'll go.
Looking for a TD04L at the moment as mine has a fair bit of play and the GT2052V will get fitted later on down the line.
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - Frosty - 22-04-2014
Good progress mate. I see mark is loving it working on a black dt. We just need to find him a nice ph1
Whens the plan to have it on the road? FCS?
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - mr_fish - 22-04-2014
Haha, me looking happy about going underneath to undo the driveshaft bearing nuts, wading through the copious amounts of oil that the block had spewed out. Looks like the conrod endcap has let go as its not connected to the crank any more. Sump is pretty dented but the block took the full force as seen in the pictures.
So yeah, engine is out. Need to spend a bit of time swapping bits across and then get the thing on the road so Trent can start saving money on fuel
Before hand, went out to the sorry looking 205 and removed the Lobb 11mm pump and also the new glowplugs.
(22-04-2014, 07:54 AM)Frosty Wrote: Good progress mate. I see mark is loving it working on a black dt. We just need to find him a nice ph1
I am warming to them
RE: Phase 1 Black 306 DTurbo - Reborn - silverzx - 22-04-2014
(22-04-2014, 07:54 AM)Frosty Wrote: Good progress mate. I see mark is loving it working on a black dt. We just need to find him a nice ph1
Whens the plan to have it on the road? FCS?
Hah, yeah he's loving the ph1's at the moment!
Not sure really, it'll be done by end of next month at the latest I'd of thought!
(22-04-2014, 11:02 AM)mr_fish Wrote: So yeah, engine is out. Need to spend a bit of time swapping bits across and then get the thing on the road so Trent can start saving money on fuel
Before hand, went out to the sorry looking 205 and removed the Lobb 11mm pump and also the new glowplugs.
Good plan, nothing more satisfying then vegging along.
