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Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 Hi all, Been pretty interested and want to learn about running decent power with a xud but where does reliability stand once your up past a stage one tune say? In particular td04 turbo/modded pump/fmic running average boost as this seems popular from what i've been researching.. Cheers, Andy RE: Running decent power with reliability - padge - 01-01-2014 they can fail even standard mate. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Danny2009 - 01-01-2014 Stage one on a good tune is fairly safe bolting on a bigger turbo is just a matter of time before it spits a rod but as Kyle said they can go at standard power RE: Running decent power with reliability - Tom - 01-01-2014 Unless you get hdi rods. Pretty safe until 150+ i would say. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Chris_90 - 01-01-2014 Can be made Safe/reliable if you have deep pockets, depends how far you wanna take it. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Piggy - 01-01-2014 safe for 250bhp for £3000-4000 we rekon chaps? RE: Running decent power with reliability - padge - 01-01-2014 less than 3k id day. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 Hmm yeh guess theres gonna be some sort of relation between cost and quality i imagine Heard about rod failures on standard cars bit worrying really, what actually happens when these fails? Cheers again RE: Running decent power with reliability - Chris_90 - 01-01-2014 They snap and come out the front of the block RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 So what makes the hdi ones much better then? RE: Running decent power with reliability - Piggy - 01-01-2014 (01-01-2014, 03:30 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: They snap and come out the front of the block or back, or bottom, or all three! (01-01-2014, 03:37 PM)Andy annear Wrote: So what makes the hdi ones much better then? they are thicker...so would assume stronger. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 Yeh makes sense to me, what is the actual cause then of rod failures? just like more strain / fatigue causes em to let go? and is this the main worry of tuning an xud? Cheers RE: Running decent power with reliability - Piggy - 01-01-2014 some on here have stripped engines down, not blown, and found banana shaped rods!! others find the car stops and a rod or two have decided to go sideways Weak points are the rods, then heads lifting So Hdi rods or forged rods and ARP studs with a decent MLS HG see you drive happily round all day boosting like a hero RE: Running decent power with reliability - Tom - 01-01-2014 Its our understanding that XUD rods wernt made very well from the factory just poorly made and generally shit. HDI ones were made later on so the technology that forged them would of been better not to mention they're actually alot chunkier up around the wrist of the rod That and the only people that have broke hdi rods are the people chasing 200bhp+ RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 (01-01-2014, 04:51 PM)Piggy Wrote: some on here have stripped engines down, not blown, and found banana shaped rods!! others find the car stops and a rod or two have decided to go sideways Epic cheers for that, answered a couple questions i had as was also woundering the idea of the head studs as i stumbled across the group buy thing the other day. As youve said all cases can be different and each cars is different, but whats a general equipment for getting decent power? as i mentioned td04 with pump mods and fmic? RE: Running decent power with reliability - Tom - 01-01-2014 Bosch pump. Front mount is pretty important. A bigger turbo will help you out most though! RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 Got a bosch had darren re-seal it etc as well, could not believe the difference it made to general running of the car, so much smoother and seems more responsive RE: Running decent power with reliability - Piggy - 01-01-2014 getting an 11mm head on the bosch, lda grind and gov mod are all good upgrades for the pump. fmic is good but not essential. inline fuel filter to help flow. bigger turbo will make biggest difference though RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 01-01-2014 that inline fuel filter is it better for running veg or makes no difference really? are there any guides kicking about? il have a search now found it http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-16318.html?highlight=inline+fuel+filter RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 02-01-2014 Can anyone vouch for running good power over a long period of time comfortably? Andy RE: Running decent power with reliability - strictly_perv - 02-01-2014 If your looking for a reliable powerful engine your probably looking at around 2k I'd say that includes headgasket set Timing kit 11mm Bosch Bolt on TD04 Forged rods ARP studs FMIC Uprated clutch And other little bits n bobs Think that's all covered to make a fairly reliable 200bhp machine? Saying that I had a fairly reliable 170bhp engine for over a year which ran at 190bhp in the last 3 months, and survived a cambelt snap. Only got destroyed from run away from excess oil in the intercooler from a turbo dying. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Craigus - 02-01-2014 You thought of a 2.1 conversion? RE: Running decent power with reliability - pugtk - 02-01-2014 (02-01-2014, 06:55 PM)Craigus Wrote: You thought of a 2.1 conversion? Im interested in seeing a 2.1 with a tdo4 and 11mm pump RE: Running decent power with reliability - Craigus - 02-01-2014 look at piggys project thread, he has some videos of his on there and seems to go fairly well. RE: Running decent power with reliability - Andy annear - 02-01-2014 I wouldNT be looking at anything insane, am just interested in how reliable these can be with td04 n 11mm etc. Perv what do you mean by 'fairly reliable'? Cheers RE: Running decent power with reliability - Tom - 02-01-2014 (02-01-2014, 07:42 PM)Andy annear Wrote: I would be looking at anything insane, am just interested in how reliable these can be with td04 n 11mm etc. With a list like that he means pretty bloody bullet proof! RE: Running decent power with reliability - LJ_D - 06-01-2014 Interesting read, would be asking same questions if and when I finally find a derv estate lol. I know there's one in the classifieds but can't get in touch yet, plus need to sell my car first around work lol Re: RE: Running decent power with reliability - mcglynn - 07-01-2014 (01-01-2014, 05:15 PM)Tom Wrote: Its our understanding that XUD rods wernt made very well from the factory just poorly made and generally shit. HDI ones were made later on so the technology that forged them would of been better not to mention they're actually alot chunkier up around the wrist of the rod That and the only people that have broke hdi rods are the people chasing 200bhp+ Have to correct you here, I broke a rod on a hdi at 90bhp. Can happen to any engine in any state of tune, the joys of a mechanical system. |