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Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
I know we've discussed this before, but can't find the information for the life of me. Want to get new glow plugs for the coolant pre-heater and am struggling to find anything on them, drawn a blank on autodata and at the local factors. Could get it from pug, but they want silly money considering its just a casting with some glow plugs in it. If somebody has one hanging around or knows the part numbers, i'd be very grateful.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Chris - 25-10-2013
I seem to recal them being the same as the 1.9dts?
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
Try the search function. /piggy
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-12893.html?highlight=heater+plug
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
I swear to god, I searched "coolant heater plugs" and went through the first ten pages TWICE before posting this thread, wtaf?? Clearly I need new eyes lol. Thanks man, that's exactly the thread I was looking for, repped.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
Did you ever get around to measuring those tom?
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
Hmm, I did but I obviously forgot to update the thread. Fail.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
Bugger lol. Well it seems the part number you found on them is for pencil-type plugs, which doesn't match the picture at all, the body is too long by far.
So yeah, anybody else breaking an hdi?
Incidentally, did a quick search and they do look very similar to the dt ones, would rather be sure before I shell out though.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
The HDi 'box I still have here (its free ffs, someone take it!) has another coolant heater attached to it...
If I get a chance I'll try and get the plugs out of that one to measure.Seems odd that the part number isn't right though!
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
Fair enough, thanks man. Tbh, i'll buy it off you - that way I can just fit it to the new engine and not have to muck about lol.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
Can if you want, the plugs are probably the originals though.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
That's fine, i'm going to replace them anyway lol. Might even have the gearbox off you, may be doing a tour of the southern half of the country again soon. Will pm you if/when i plan anything.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
Ok fair enough then.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Niall - 25-10-2013
Just buy it from Peugeot. Its only £172!
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Ricky - 25-10-2013
So when does the heater turn on and off then?
RE: Coolant pre-heater - cully - 25-10-2013
(25-10-2013, 06:48 PM)Ricky Wrote: So when does the heater turn on and off then?
monday through friday and it has the weekends off
the heater is controlled by a map in the ecu
basicly
if the coolant temp is below 40c and the outside temp is below 10c then the heater will operate
untill the coolant is up to 60c
it is a pre heater for tha cabin coolant to give the pasenger/driver some instant heat cause the engine is so efficiant it heats the coolant slowly
RE: Coolant pre-heater - DeeTurbo - 25-10-2013
(25-10-2013, 07:31 PM)cully Wrote:(25-10-2013, 06:48 PM)Ricky Wrote: So when does the heater turn on and off then?
monday through friday and it has the weekends off
the heater is controlled by a map in the ecu
basicly
if the coolant temp is below 40c and the cabin temp is below 10c then the heater will operate
untill the coolant is up to 60c
it is a pre heater for tha cabin coolant to give the pasenger/driver some instant heat cause the engine is so efficiant it heats the coolant slowly
It uses the cabin thermistor near the map reading light.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - cully - 25-10-2013
paperwork i have says outside temp
EDIT
sorry it reads Ambient temp so yes probably cabin
reheating authorisation zone.
The injection ECU works out the heating requirement in the passenger compartment when starting as a function of the curve.
Example 1 :
l Engine coolant temperature=40 °C.
l The ambient temperature=- 10 °C.
l The temperature conditions are in the additional heating operating zone.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Connor - 25-10-2013
Could the map be altered to keep it on longer? Be nice to have heat faster lol
RE: Coolant pre-heater - cully - 25-10-2013
faster? mine is pritty damn fast dont drive even a mile before im fealing heat
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Connor - 25-10-2013
Well mines probably buggered then lol
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Toms306 - 25-10-2013
I'd imagine most are buggered after ~12 years lol, imagine keeping engine glow plugs in that long.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 25-10-2013
The engine will run more efficiently when it's up to temperature, could be beneficial to extend that operating range for us eco boys.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - DeeTurbo - 26-10-2013
You might lose efficiency because of the high power consumption of the heater. The power you gain might be lost in the extra current generation of the alternator.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 26-10-2013
I did wonder about that, they draw about 55a when they're on (assuming i've worked it out right), but they should only need to be on for two minutes tops, so shouldn't be awful... Meh, will see if i can get steve to find and adjust the control map for me and see what happens.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Ricky - 26-10-2013
Or just wire up a seperate circuit for it to a switch with a timer, it's what I did on my XUD. Don't know whether it would work ok.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - DeeTurbo - 26-10-2013
I was thinking of putting a second heater unit in last year to help heat up faster but never got around to doing it.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 26-10-2013
Not sure, could actually work better, the standard system is set up to run on 8v. Or it could work too well and boil the coolant...
Oh yeah, where were you going to install it?
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Dum-Dum - 26-10-2013
I have at least one of them here, possibly 2 or 3. I i kinda wanna keep but if i can find extras do you wanna buy them poodlywoodly?
I was seriously considering mounting a second one inline and running it off a switch.
If anyone ever ran an electric water pump you could run a battery charger to your house and have it set up so you could come down in the morning in your PJs and dressing gown and turn on the water pump and the 2 heaters and set the blower then the car would be fully warm by the time youd had your tea and toast.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Ricky - 26-10-2013
I put one in the pipe just before it attaches to the matrix.
RE: Coolant pre-heater - Poodle - 26-10-2013
Sorry Ricky, that was aimed at DeeTurbo. Good shout though, I think that's where the standard one is on the hdi, was thinking a second could go post-stat housing (non-rad circuit obviously lol). And having re-read your last post i'm guessing it didn't boil the coolant if you had it installed fine lol. /eyesfail
(26-10-2013, 07:53 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I have at least one of them here, possibly 2 or 3. I i kinda wanna keep but if i can find extras do you wanna buy them poodlywoodly?
I was seriously considering mounting a second one inline and running it off a switch.
If anyone ever ran an electric water pump you could run a battery charger to your house and have it set up so you could come down in the morning in your PJs and dressing gown and turn on the water pump and the 2 heaters and set the blower then the car would be fully warm by the time youd had your tea and toast.
Might well take you up on that, cheers man. Don't suppose you fancy finding the part numbers on the plugs for me?
Funnily enough i've had that idea before, not sure it'd bring any net saving though, unless we can make it efficient/low energy enough to run off the car battery.