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RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2013
well shaft me sideways . . . . . . i removed the hidden blue relay on the phase 1, went to swap it into the phase 2 and it doesn't have a place for one! . . . . .i've run out of ideas now, cleaned all the relay sockets up to no avail . . . . .
anyone have a wiring diagram for it? . . . looks like i'm gonna have to strip the entire wiper loom out the old car and bodge it onto the new one ffs . . it's not exactly my area of expertise . .boohoo
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Danny2009 - 15-12-2013
f*ck that for a laugh! I'd sell it and but something else loads easier
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2013
(15-12-2013, 12:51 PM)Danny2009 Wrote: f*ck that for a laugh! I'd sell it and but something else loads easier
thanks for the contribution Danny but that's not an option, i've fixed loads of shit on it already, i'll get there pal somehow
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Danny2009 - 15-12-2013
Any time mate
hahaBeen racking my brains but I'm as stumped as you are :/
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2013
(15-12-2013, 02:02 PM)Danny2009 Wrote: Any time mate
Been racking my brains but I'm as stumped as you are :/
cheers mate now why don't you get back to buying rustbuckets and HG failures . .
. . . . don't fancy helping me swap the rear beams on these two cars some time soon do ya? . .
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Danny2009 - 15-12-2013
I would have gladly helped but you can struggle on your own now
Yea let me know pal ill fetch my jack and 4 stands up
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2013
(15-12-2013, 03:54 PM)Danny2009 Wrote: I would have gladly helped but you can struggle on your own now
Yea let me know pal ill fetch my jack and 4 stands up
cheers mate, this lowered beam is cambered pretty bad, not touching yet but a nats bollock from it . .lol
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Danny2009 - 15-12-2013
Just give me a shout mate
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 31-12-2013
well just to update on this, i've just had a real good search and there's NO BLUE RELAY behind the fuseboard on this phase 2, i've checked both my phase 1's and sure enough they are there, not on this car though, anyone have any bright ideas before i burn the fcuking thing?
seems that the two purple relays have to do with the wipers (left of the fuseboard) as you unplug any one and wipers stop working, anyone else have the two purple ones? . . .
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Piggy - 31-12-2013
Are you sure the replacement motor works fine?
Having a stop position go wrong is normally a track issue inside the motor
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 31-12-2013
(31-12-2013, 12:14 PM)Piggy Wrote: Are you sure the replacement motor works fine?
Having a stop position go wrong is normally a track issue inside the motor
yes, well put it this way, it's worked perfectly for the last 5 years, unless it suddenly decided to mimic the old motor somewhere between me taking it off and refitting it to the new car? but thanks . . . .
sorry it's making me really pissy, had enough now . .
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Toms306 - 31-12-2013
2 purple relays are for auto wipers in phase 3s.
Swap them over...theoretically park and intermittent should work fine and full speed will then be broken if it is the relay at fault.
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Welshy_Pete - 31-12-2013
What are the 3 pins like inside the wiper motor?
There 3 or 4 small nuts take those of then inside the pins are there. If any one of them corroded or broken big problems start.
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 31-12-2013
(31-12-2013, 02:10 PM)Toms306 Wrote: 2 purple relays are for auto wipers in phase 3s.
i swapped them round Tom and it was just the same, could it have had the windscreen replaced and the old sensor is fcuking things up now? . . .
clutching at straws i know . .
(31-12-2013, 02:24 PM)Welshy_Pete Wrote: What are the 3 pins like inside the wiper motor?
There 3 or 4 small nuts take those of then inside the pins are there. If any one of them corroded or broken big problems start.
i replaced the wiper motor for one that has been working for 5 years in my old car no problems and it's exactly the same, tried a another working stalk too . . . .:/
is the auto wiper stalk different to one's without does anyone know? . . . . . .got me thinking . . .
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Toms306 - 31-12-2013
Hmm, if you swapped them and no difference it cant be the relays - doesn't rule out the wiring to them though.
If you unplug the sensor on an auto setup it just reverts back to intermittent instead of auto so shouldn't cause issues. Yes the stalk is different, but again I think it'd just revert back to intermittent if you put a non auto stalk on.
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Danny2009 - 31-12-2013
You tried another stalk tho haven't you pal?
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 01-01-2014
(31-12-2013, 07:44 PM)Danny2009 Wrote: You tried another stalk tho haven't you pal?
yes mate, a phase 1 one...
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Piggy - 01-01-2014
(31-12-2013, 05:58 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Hmm, if you swapped them and no difference it cant be the relays - doesn't rule out the wiring to them though.
If you unplug the sensor on an auto setup it just reverts back to intermittent instead of auto so shouldn't cause issues. Yes the stalk is different, but again I think it'd just revert back to intermittent if you put a non auto stalk on.
But he hasnt got auto wipers?!
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 10:38 AM)Piggy Wrote:(31-12-2013, 05:58 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Hmm, if you swapped them and no difference it cant be the relays - doesn't rule out the wiring to them though.
If you unplug the sensor on an auto setup it just reverts back to intermittent instead of auto so shouldn't cause issues. Yes the stalk is different, but again I think it'd just revert back to intermittent if you put a non auto stalk on.
But he hasnt got auto wipers?!
no but Tom is saying the two purple relays is same as an auto wiper setup,
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Piggy - 01-01-2014
but he is talking about it reverting to intermittent etc...well it wont do that coz it doesnt have that setup.
how do you get it back to parking position then mate?
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Toms306 - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 12:12 PM)Piggy Wrote: but he is talking about it reverting to intermittent etc...well it wont do that coz it doesnt have that setup.
how do you get it back to parking position then mate?
We're confused as 'usually' 2 purple relays is for auto, one blue relay is for manual. Yet Matt seems to have 2 purple relays but a manual setup - so maybe it should've been auto.
IF it had been an auto setup and someone had changed the screen and ditched the sensor I was saying it shouldn't make a difference to the parking as it'd just revert to intermittent. Read the whole thread.
I don't know what else to suggest now though - wipers really aren't complicated, its simply: Power - fuse - stalk - relay - motor - Earth. If you've swapped all those with known good ones then it can only be a wiring fault left but that'd usually just cause them to fail altogether.
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Piggy - 01-01-2014
are the ph1 and ph2 motors the same??
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Toms306 - 01-01-2014
I've never had a phase 1 but I believe the motors are the same across all phases. Someone else can confirm hopefully though.
RE: HELP PLEASE, front wiper problem losing my mind - Mattcheese31 - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 12:29 PM)Toms306 Wrote:(01-01-2014, 12:12 PM)Piggy Wrote: but he is talking about it reverting to intermittent etc...well it wont do that coz it doesnt have that setup.
how do you get it back to parking position then mate?
We're confused as 'usually' 2 purple relays is for auto, one blue relay is for manual. Yet Matt seems to have 2 purple relays but a manual setup - so maybe it should've been auto.
IF it had been an auto setup and someone had changed the screen and ditched the sensor I was saying it shouldn't make a difference to the parking as it'd just revert to intermittent. Read the whole thread.
I don't know what else to suggest now though - wipers really aren't complicated, its simply: Power - fuse - stalk - relay - motor - Earth. If you've swapped all those with known good ones then it can only be a wiring fault left but that'd usually just cause them to fail altogether.
what he said lol . . . .