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RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Pompey306mark - 30-06-2013
You're still welcome.
Ginge, it's actually setup up well with the low torque levels since most same it's torque that helps with the throwing of rods.
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
Well from the outside, why wouldn't anyone be surprised? Overly high figures, some of the highest seen around here even compared to T2's on 11mm pumps, on an engine that you struggled to get running for pages on this very thread? You say you've been tuning XUD's for years but your basic mechanical knowledge has appeared lacking.
It's gone from "aw f*ck I don't know what i'm doing" to "look at my amazing magical T2".
If you want to live in dreamland and not accept that the figures seem remarkably high, fine, your prerogative. Noone here's told you it isn't what you're claiming, but doubts have understandably been raised because they seem high.
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 06:34 PM)cwspellowe Wrote: Well from the outside, why wouldn't anyone be surprised? Overly high figures, some of the highest seen around here even compared to T2's on 11mm pumps, on an engine that you struggled to get running for pages on this very thread? You say you've been tuning XUD's for years but your basic mechanical knowledge has appeared lacking.
It's gone from "aw f*ck I don't know what i'm doing" to "look at my amazing magical T2".
If you want to live in dreamland and not accept that the figures seem remarkably high, fine, your prerogative. Noone here's told you it isn't what you're claiming, but doubts have understandably been raised because they seem high.
Again, a bit unfair.
11mm is regardless. 9mm are more than capable of fueling a t2. Any more and you're lagging/EGT issues.
Secondly, saying I lack basic mechanical knowledge? I had issues timing my first cambelt? Hardly a basic job.. To add, I've done this entire engine change pretty much on my own, with a little help here and there. And not to mention how annoying it is hearing you taking "aw f*ck" to "look at this power". It's been a f*cking long journey and wanted to give up many of times, it's now performing and there's people saying things like this? Seriously?
But no, it's a high figure for the setup. I've never said that this is a benchmark/standard figure. But, it's a low mileage engine and turbo.
Oh and FFS, take a 1.5nad turbo makes 133bhp, a 1.9 makes 20bhp more and hell brakes loose
Re: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - vlj - 30-06-2013
End of the day, if the dyno is right then f*cking good on you Stephen, mechanical knowledge or not the car is running it doesn't matter what you've gone through to get it running - it just is. And if the dyno is wrong which judging by others output doesn't seem to be - then so what?
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
**edited**
Know what? Forget it. You're missing the point, it's like talking to a brick wall.
205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - MissTap_GTI6 - 30-06-2013
If his is high, then everybody else's results are high then, yes?
205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 30-06-2013
I'm struggling to see a point behind your comments?
I'm jammy with it? Lucky? Because I have a good result and to what you say, poor knowledge? What is the point you're making?
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
*sigh*
Go have a read on how torque/power is calculated and then decide for yourself. Too much effort trying to explain the variances between measuring RPM of each car, especially when it comes to mechanical diesels.
Look at Sam's comments in the pictures thread about his estimated RPM. You can add a bazillion bhp if you wanted by adjusting your RPM readings.
205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 30-06-2013
Now you've lost me...
When did RPM come into your point?
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 07:03 PM)ginge191 Wrote: Now you've lost me...
When did RPM come into your point?
How do you think your power was calculated?
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 30-06-2013
So you're going to blame the guy running the dyno? He's set all the other cars, calibrated them all fine and got some pretty spot on results.
Perhaps mine was a fluke? Both runs, perhaps.. You could question the result
Of every dyno then ..
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Jimbo - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 07:26 PM)ginge191 Wrote: So you're going to blame the guy running the dyno? He's set all the other cars, calibrated them all fine and got some pretty spot on results.
Perhaps mine was a fluke? Both runs, perhaps.. You could question the result
Of every dyno then ..
I dobt think hes trying to say its wrong just seems high regarding the current setup.
Well done on the figure I hopebi get near that with mine
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 07:26 PM)ginge191 Wrote: So you're going to blame the guy running the dyno? He's set all the other cars, calibrated them all fine and got some pretty spot on results.
Perhaps mine was a fluke? Both runs, perhaps.. You could question the result
Of every dyno then ..
Does your rev counter work? Is it accurate?
If the answer to either of those is "no" or "maybe", forgive me for being at least a bit unconvinced.
If however you can without a shadow of a doubt say the RPM's were spot on and it did actually make that power with such relatively low torque, well done, you found an extra 10bhp with your so-called "mild tune" than anyone else manages on a 9mm/T2 with the max fuel wound so far the revs are starting to climb...
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Niall - 30-06-2013
I must admit, I was quite surprised at the power figure but then again, i wasnt there and i didnt see it so cant really comment. I was also pretty surprised at all the results ive heard from this dyno day but again, i wasnt there so i cant comment. All i can comment on is i dont see how people are saying "this dyno is very accurate". What is the benchmark?
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - strictly_perv - 30-06-2013
The engine is a good one in this car. It runs 100% spot on, de-filtered, non-EGR mani's (not some bodge welded EGR one) straight through exhaust, 25+psi decent Bosch pump which I fiddled with on the dyno. So I don't see why it couldn't have made that power, which to be fair didn't hold for very long but it still peaked at that figure so a gov mod would have helped maintain it longer.
There is the thing about the RPM gauge and stuff so that could have caused some slight inaccuracies but f it had there's no doubt it made any less than 130-140. But again after looking at the graph it does look about right in spool up and fuel cutting times to be fair....
Lets face it alot of cars with similar spec which have been on rolling roads may have poor set-ups, boost leaks, blocked fuel filter ect ect but I know this engine is a good one.
There's no need for such aggressive posts though, it's only a bloody car dyno graph....
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Ruan - 30-06-2013
Not been arsed to read thread - Torque looks too low for the power, typical XUD issue on dyno, unless they laser tacho it, you might as well discount it... 220lbft should give around 135-140hp on a T2...
Ive never seen above 150 on any T2 or K14 even on 11mm, and yes 11mm will make a difference, if it didn't make a difference then no DI engine would ever need bigger injector nozzles... Look up about Injection Windows...
The dyno can be the most accurate in the world, but it's typical of dyno days to poorly run cars on a Saturday because they want to piss off home... Dyno dynamics shootout combined with innacurate engine reference is next to useless...
This isn't slagging off your car, btw more the dyno operator...
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - cwspellowe - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 08:22 PM)strictly_derv Wrote: The engine is a good one in this car. It runs 100% spot on, de-filtered, non-EGR mani's (not some bodge welded EGR one) straight through exhaust, 25+psi decent Bosch pump which I fiddled with on the dyno. So I don't see why it couldn't have made that power, which to be fair didn't hold for very long but it still peaked at that figure so a gov mod would have helped maintain it longer.
There is the thing about the RPM gauge and stuff so that could have caused some slight inaccuracies but f it had there's no doubt it made any less than 130-140. But again after looking at the graph it does look about right in spool up and fuel cutting times to be fair....
Lets face it alot of cars with similar spec which have been on rolling roads may have poor set-ups, boost leaks, blocked fuel filter ect ect but I know this engine is a good one.
There's no need for such aggressive posts though, it's only a bloody car dyno graph....
Slight inaccuracies? A 500rpm inaccuracy is 25bhp difference. Who's to say any other t2 that only made 140bhp was set up wrong..?
Ruan has pretty much echoed my sentiments, but f*ck it, obviously everyone who has said it seems over must be wrong.
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 04-07-2013
Sooo... aside from the moaning, Ruan, thanks for the explanation of how variations can occur on dyno runs
Fitted a temporary grill and some bonnet pins today, as the bonnet was precariously lifting and flapping when on the motorway after hitting the deer earlier on the year, the bonnet has a few kinks and dinks. Vlj is the witness to such scary moments whilst driving..
anyway, luckily, they don't look too gash, but well, i kinda need them...
Oh, and i know, the grill is wonky. It was a cheap temporary jobby to cover up the fans and make it look half respectable again!
![[Image: CnFfYB8.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/CnFfYB8.jpg)
And had a little blast earlier with max and his 205.
![[Image: sKyZWg6.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/sKyZWg6.jpg)
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Dum-Dum - 04-07-2013
Looking really nice dude, needs lowering though.
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 04-07-2013
(04-07-2013, 05:53 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Looking really nice dude, needs lowering though.
Cheers
yeh definitely, i'm afraid i have to prioritise, lowering will come as and when i think. The brakes are genuinely shot! but yeh, when i see something decent pop up, no doubt i'd buy
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Dum-Dum - 04-07-2013
You want some 266s
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Matt - 04-07-2013
Looking good man
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 04-07-2013
(04-07-2013, 07:27 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: You want some 266s
Lol I've got some. Just need some pads.
Thanks Matt
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 05-07-2013
got round to fitting my water temp gauge and adapter.
![[Image: Ly7rAUM.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/Ly7rAUM.jpg)
The temp gauge is a temp fit as i forgot the gauge takes 5 wires
a bit tooo thick to fit through the pod i've got, i'll get working and figuring out how to fit something around it![[Image: MzYnOXV.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/MzYnOXV.jpg)
oh, and bought some stickers... cheers toms306
![[Image: bwzASJt.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/bwzASJt.jpg)
Re: RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - vlj - 05-07-2013
(05-07-2013, 05:49 PM)ginge191 Wrote:
f*ck me, Dum Dum, is that you?!
205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 05-07-2013
One cable tie! Come on
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Dum-Dum - 05-07-2013
(05-07-2013, 06:17 PM)ginge191 Wrote: One cable tie! Come on^^^ Clearly two of them there. Also if you call them self locking nylon ratchet straps nobody thinks your bodging it.
Jubilee clip would of been more secure
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - Poodle - 08-07-2013
Noticed the stickers yesterday and forgot to mention them, look good.
This goes bloody well whatever the actual power figure is, well impressed! Also jealous and wishing Charli would let me modify hers...
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 08-07-2013
lol cheers mate
Stickers courtesy of toms306 - yet to apply the second sticker.
As for Charli's car; don't modify it! it's MIND standard! stick to the plans you've got!
RE: 205 DT sleeper - boosting video pg10 and pg11 - ginge191 - 11-07-2013
started refurbing the spare steelies today; and they have a much thinner profile on the tyre; unforutnately when they're test fitted with the curernt ride heigh it's quite shocking to say the least. So, awaiting vlj's coilies before these go on!
![[Image: Tw6EiKU.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/Tw6EiKU.jpg)
And, for anyone who fancies a lol; check the ride height
http://i.imgur.com/YbUlMBQ.jpg