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[hakey]

Yeah by sayin pay extra 3k for basically same engine makes no sense

[Scott]

I don't get what you mean by saying basically the same engine?

[Jake]

I don't get what you mean by saying basically the same engine?

Think he means the vauxhall/pug v6 engine. =\

[hakey]

Yeah thts it same power but 3k different

[Scott]

Did you only get two quotes? One from Pug1Off and another from your local that only deals with Vauxhalls and Fords?

The Peugeot engine requires much less work to get fitted so get another quote from another garage.

[hakey]

2 Peugeot quote other garages won't do it. Asked and tried got no where as cheap so job done.

[ash240970]

Dude - if your guy just works with ford and vauxhall just tell him to stick a Cosworth engine in it and be done with it - would be better if you can find the 4x4 running gear to go in as well so start searching the salvage yards.
As far as I'm concerned it's bad enough me even suggesting the above but I used to be a ford enthusiast in my younger days.
A Vauxfail engine in a Pug???? It shouldn't ever happen as vauxhall are just terrible and they haven't built a good engine since the 2.0 16v that used to power the Astra GTE intercontinental ballistic missile which iirc had a 0-60 of 6.9 secs
Only other possible conversion I would suggest for you Honda Accord type R or the earlier civic R lump very reliable engines and very tuneable.

[hakey]

I might do tht 4wd her thanx for the idea will have words

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Dude - if your guy just works with ford and vauxhall just tell him to stick a Cosworth engine in it and be done with it - would be better if you can find the 4x4 running gear to go in as well so start searching the salvage yards.
As far as I'm concerned it's bad enough me even suggesting the above but I used to be a ford enthusiast in my younger days.
A Vauxfail engine in a Pug???? It shouldn't ever happen as vauxhall are just terrible and they haven't built a good engine since the 2.0 16v that used to power the Astra GTE intercontinental ballistic missile which iirc had a 0-60 of 6.9 secs
Only other possible conversion I would suggest for you Honda Accord type R or the earlier civic R lump very reliable engines and very tuneable.

but to b fair iv Neva had probs with any my vaux but i have my fords. Iv Neva had a cossie I wnt 1st sierra rectangle head lights. But would b a fortune I cnt not do stupid things 2 my cars

[Matt]

Meh suppose your right, a vaxhaull engine in a pug would be a stupid thing

[InkedMuttley]

Do U no wot take nick tell me wot im doin and wot im not as U obviously no me more then I do myself.

I wasn't taking the mick at all and I don't claim to know you better than you do I was simply saying you would be much better off with modifying something better and more user-orientated like a GTi6 or a D Turbo which both are perfectly adequate cars and can give you some serious poke for not much money.

Need to lighten up mate, he's just having a joke, not laughing at you.

People aren't telling you what to do. It's your money, do what you like with it. They're just trying to help by letting you know in advance that it may not be the best decision or best way to go about it when you can get much more for your money elsewhere. As I said before, don't limit yourself just to Vauxhall or Ford engines just because your local mechanic says that's all he works with.

I wasn't joking either sorry to put it this way but it read something along the lines of a council estate racer that's bought himself a 1.0 Corsa because that's all he can afford with the ban still on his license etc and then sticking a 2.0 redtop in because the 1.1 is too slow and not informing the DVLA and then overcooking it and throwing it into the back of an honest person's car leaving them to pay for the damages as in effect he's uninsured.

Sorry if you think I'm a c*nt hakey but I'm not I'm just trying to save you some money and trying to avoid 1 person giving everybody else a bad name because they've done wrong, I'm a realist.

[hakey]

Realistic I don't work hard to settle I wnt will have something different I dnt do Savin money I waste money in2 my cars coz I can. I dnt do ,well if save here then im alright bit extra cash which will have to b put somewhere else on things I don't enjoy. I Neva no wen my time is up so im livin and doin wot I can while I can so wen I look bk hopefully many years 2 come and say I had some beasts and enjoyed myself. I dnt worry how much insurance b as I have gd policy which I pay gd money to b able 2 do things like this. I'm already planin nxt project its wot I do i no ppl might think im strange and snds like im talkin crap but as b4 has happened on other forums they soon c im a doer not dreamer. I'll c wen its done hopefully end November all goes to plan.

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Dint get wot U ment bout 1 person givin every1 bad name

[InkedMuttley]

Dint get wot U ment bout 1 person givin every1 bad name

Say you do this conversion and have an accident and you aren't covered for it I know you say you are but insurance companies are bastards at times I know as a mate of mine had a car that had a big bore on it and it wasn't declared and he lost it on a roundabout and they wouldn't pay out as his car was damaged luckily enough no other car was involved but this is what I'm getting at.

Say you do the conversion and stick a 306oc sticker in the window or something you rear end someone and you're not covered. It's not you that gets the bad name it's everyone on this forum...This is what I'm trying to say.

I'm not trying to put you off of anything f*cking hell I wish you the best of luck I had the chance to take a passenger ride in a 306 that had got a V6 engine powering it that the bloke had spent about £5,000 on that alone and was done that well you'd think it came out the factory like that and it was a monster. What I'm trying to say it if you've got a £500 car and you want to spend £5,000 on a new engine and have the means to do it, do so but if you're doing it to get the extra power but you cant afford it which is how it reads then don't bother as you bring about every other 306 owner's downfall too.

[hakey]

I can afford it thts the thing if ur gettin tht from me not Enron to pay extra for 3k more for basically the same conversion. I no alot ppl say 2.5k thts cheap so prob a bodge not the case at all or I wouldn't still b using him. I double check everything send emails of my car modified there black and white and demand a reply of acknoldgement. I no wot U mean tho bout insurance they'll do anything not to pay its a joke rly. Wot I'll do is make sure for ur peace of mind this club has none of its stickers on my car or just remove me from forum. Then if anything did happen and insurance are like tht then ur club is safe. Makes no odds 2 me I just wntd to share my crazy cars.

[ash240970]

Going back to the 4x4 concept if you search the salvage companies for a written off escort cosworth you may be able to transplant the lot into the 306 as the cars dimensions aren't too dissimilar though you will need to do some fabrication for the tunnel and transmission - I'm not saying it will be easy but shouldn't be too difficult. Alternatively look on the me for Andy Burton and his 4wd 306 cosworth rally car powered by a mid mounted touring car engine and a mix of imprezza/Evo running gear. Plenty of ideas there for you. Cosworth engine in the 306 shouldn't be that difficult tbh as there was a guy at pugfest running one in a Talbot Sunbeam - sounded amazing and went like stink.

[hakey]

tht snds insane would not mind tht. Think something like tht would have to get 3dr as would do rally rep wide kit the lot

[ash240970]

Sorry - didn't realise you had a 5 door

[Rippthrough]

Andy's car would cost a lot to replicate, it's an ice racer spaceframe with a 306 shell basically.

Saying that, I do know a couple of 306 shells that have TVR V8's in the rear.

[hakey]

Nice tho wouldn't wnt 2 think of how much I ment rep in looks as I no my bloke would do conversion but how much I dnt no he got a citreon ax 3.7 thts 4wd and turbod goin to b a animal his fiesta 2.1 4wd turbo was and had 4 wheel steer thts y he called power crazy he is beyond crazy lol

[Rippthrough]

You'd be surprised how cheap you can get a v8 these days.

[hakey]

Wouldn't mind a monaro 6.0 v8 & then turbo stuck in the rear

[ash240970]

V8 = too much weight but if it's mid mounted

And Ripp yeah I know what andys car is and whilst I have no idea what it would cost to replicate I can fully appreciate it would be well outside of Hakeys budget but I was trying to give him inspiration
I Still think escort cossie running gear and engine into a 306 would be an epic conversion but older imprezzas are cheap these days so that might be more viable and easier in terms of sourcing parts.

[hakey]

2 TRUE bout budget would b nice will check it out Monday bout jst standard cossie conversion

[InkedMuttley]

FYI I know it's not a Peugeot or a 306 for that matter but the bloke that was going to do my exhaust (not getting it done there now as it's going to take him 3 days+ and I need access to a car 24/7!) at AW Tracksport has a Citroen AX that he's shoehorned a Cosworth YB 2.0 Turbo engine into which has had huge amounts of work done to and the thing sounds f*cking awesome so if it can be done to an AX a 306 won't be any problem!

Cosworth would be a better option IMO, not too much fabrication, not a huge amount bigger than the 1.4 Pug lump but with huge amounts of extra power and to add to that a turbo as well...I say Cossie engine with a bigger turbo and intercooler setup front mounted and you've got the recipe for a f*cking nutcase of a motor!

[hakey]

I'll c wot happenin nxt sat have some words with him

[ash240970]

So that's the Cosworth transplant seconded.

[hakey]

Looks like it

[Dum-Dum]

If you want a V8 there is about 4 rover V8 engines in my local scrap yard.

[InkedMuttley]

If you want a V8 there is about 4 rover V8 engines in my local scrap yard.

There's one in my lock up but it aint going anywhere haha, I've got a 6.5 Turbo'd V8 sat in the garage that was in my old Land Rover it'd only done about 60,000 miles when I put it in and only covered a further 5,000(ish) miles before I scrapped the Landy engine was way too good to scrap

[hakey]

I found out alot of work and money involved in 4x4 cosworth so original idea it is

[ash240970]

2wd cosworth then lol