What's happening to the GTi's?

[Eeyore]

Right now we are in a dip in 306 popularity. I imagine the club will change soon to less modifications and more restorations. We are already seeing this in the case of Ben's rallye and many other owners.

Obviously I've stripped my rallye, caged it and fitted bodies... All making it non standard, but I have kept the parts so it can always go back. Right now for me it's about enjoying the car. Modified or not as long as it's looked after its great. The fact it exists is good enough for me to think I'm doing the right thing.

[bashbarnard]

Yeah this is all true im even stuggling for some parts now! Never had that issue before. I think most the 306s that are iconic dturbo, xsi, gti and raylle will all fetch good money in the not to distant futre which is sad as i like buggering about with these things.

As for where do i see the club. Hopefully the die hard 306 fans stick around. Their cars becoming more of a second car and dum dum atill drinking 20 beers at a meet a yelling at the "youngsters" you dont know what it was like in my day


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[MisterGTR]

Hmmmmm I've taken a low mileage, 1 owner standard 6 and modified it and continue to do so.

I'm guessing I should really be keeping it stock and restore the paint and punt it. But I never bought it as an investment. I bought it to take to Knockhill as it cost less than a set of tyres used to cost for the fat Datsun.

[procta]

Cant say as I disagree Procta......cars will become rarer and rarer, forums get quieter as they do. The GTi6/rallye forum is a far quieter place than it used to be. Body panels are already thin on.the ground which is why im starting to buy spares incase the unthinkable happens.

body panel wise i think with hardian panels?  going bust a few years ago hasn't helped matters at all, but yeah parts will be come less easier now, i think with the car been european might help, with more of them been produced for other countries. Chances are that peugeot dealer will be the only place to get odds and sods.  Rovers now are getting tricky for parts, things are hit and miss now on all models. If you had a maestro or a montego you are in trouble. What hasn't helped the rover network, is the lost of the main dealer. This caused a lot of good motors to be binned off well early before their time, so now 10 years later the ones that are left are going to struggle, for second hand parts. due to not been the cars been about, more on the road than been broken. This is how silly it has become for the metro side of things, I use the later MPI system for the vvc, can you hell get a MPI throttle cable new now! Or even some of the MPI hoses! The mpi R100 was binned off back in 1998, Laugh is you can get the earlier stuff ( just) Also Exhausts now are getting tricky too. Performance ones are hard to get hold now, and i think even the ZR is the same now. But again that's down to what one of the lads mentioned, how popular and in demand.

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Right now we are in a dip in 306 popularity. I imagine the club will change soon to less modifications and more restorations. We are already seeing this in the case of Ben's rallye and many other owners.

Obviously I've stripped my rallye, caged it and fitted bodies... All making it non standard, but I have kept the parts so it can always go back. Right now for me it's about enjoying the car. Modified or not as long as it's looked after its great. The fact it exists is good enough for me to think I'm doing the right thing.

That's fare enough, i have seen a few lads do this with the metros, and still enjoying the car. Those still have them now, they got the car back in 2001 etc.

Yeah this is all true im even stuggling for some parts now! Never had that issue before. I think most the 306s that are iconic dturbo, xsi, gti and raylle will all fetch good money in the not to distant futre which is sad as i like buggering about with these things.

As for where do i see the club. Hopefully the die hard 306 fans stick around. Their cars becoming more of a second car and dum dum atill drinking 20 beers at a meet a yelling at the "youngsters" you dont know what it was like in my day


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You never know bash, not many people really bad mouth the 306 at all, after all it was one of Peugeots last decent hatches.  The die hard fans will stay mind and those will be the ones that will maintain and restore. Youngsters will not know what a 306 is lol. Some dont even know what a vaux hall nova is or an XR3!

Hmmmmm I've taken a low mileage, 1 owner standard 6 and modified it and continue to do so.

I'm guessing I should really be keeping it stock and restore the paint and punt it. But I never bought it as an investment. I bought it to take to Knockhill as it cost less than a set of tyres used to cost for the fat Datsun.

up to you on that one, you got to ask will you get your hands on another one like that?
I have toyed with the idea of changing cars, i have been with the 306 for 11 years ( 1st one was a Phase 1) and i have the HDI for nearly 10 years now. She is still not remapped, i did toy with the idea of going Defender but this car hasnt been any trouble at all. I may just decide to keep it as a second car, and give it a overhaul and maybe a few tweaks here and there. Like some of the classic owners do, After all we do have a good data base and how to guides.  Got to say this for 306 community the info isnt full of shite, like some of the other forums i have been a member of in the past.

[MisterGTR]

Hmmmmm I've taken a low mileage, 1 owner standard 6 and modified it and continue to do so.

I'm guessing I should really be keeping it stock and restore the paint and punt it. But I never bought it as an investment. I bought it to take to Knockhill as it cost less than a set of tyres used to cost for the fat Datsun.

up to you on that one, you got to ask will you get your hands on another one like that?
I have toyed with the idea of changing cars, i have been with the 306 for 11 years ( 1st one was a Phase 1) and i have the HDI for nearly 10 years now. She is still not remapped, i did toy with the idea of going Defender but this car hasnt been any trouble at all. I may just decide to keep it as a second car, and give it a overhaul and maybe a few tweaks here and there. Like some of the classic owners do, After all we do have a good data base and how to guides.  Got to say this for 306 community the info isnt full of shite, like some of the other forums i have been a member of in the past.
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Thing is I feel kinda bad ruining this car when i apart from paint it's a collector. But I bought it 2 years ago and it's only now that the value seems to have gone up. But in that time I've 'wasted' thousands on the stereo upgrade and putting on the b12, xsara fast rack, black masks, Oz wheels. The only thing I did which added value was get the AC working.

With hindsight I should have spent the upgrade money on a car that someone had already done all the things I had, kept the first one mint and used the second one. But then I don't have the space and part of the idea was to try and do the upgrades myself as much as possible (fail).

But the one thing you can't buy is how much fun it is to drive! And it would be a shame to lock it away!


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[r3k1355]

I have been saying for a long time that the market for clean, factory standard spec cars is only going to get stronger. Its already heading that way. Its also part of the reason for my resto being as OCD as it is.....

I agree ben, The 306 isnt as common as it was, 5 years ago is it. Most now are on clocking on 20 years old onwards. I have seen this happen with the metro side of things, 8 years ago people were modifying them and breaking them. Now its not really common at all now for people to modify them or break them. The quest is now to save as many as possible, no matter what model or year it is. That's all down to a new club that kicked off in 2008.
Something i think that really needs to start to happen now on here, before most vanish off our roads. I tell you lads it will happen. The club needs to start to change its ways really now, and try and start to save as many now. Also start to pushing for the big events like its 25th birthday, as no one did even mention the 20th birthday of the 306.
At the moment, i cannot see where this club is going sadly.  Sorry to sound shit about the club but can anyone tell me?

Procta I've also seen it happen in Ford circles too. In 5 years time I think people will be regretting binning off some of the cars they are right now. Invariably the price of one car starts to rise when it's predecessor becomes out of reach to normal common buyers

When I was messing about with Fords from 2001-2006 you could buy a tidy XR3i for under a grand- nobody cared for them as the 'in thing' at the time was Mk2 Escorts in any colour and flavour but within a matter of years the supply of nicer Mk2's dried up and those coming to market went out of most peoples price league and then the run started on XR2/XR3's/RST's instead.

You've gotta remember though that old Fords have always been worth good money in this country, even basic peasant spec models bring strong money in good condition.
Just a quick flick through some classifieds for them shows not only the price but the wider availability of the cars.

However this is a beautiful old Peugeot

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-404-CA...SwMORW79SH

[Ben_w]

A lot of old Fords are worth a lot of money due to them being regarded as (and rightly so imho in a lot of cases) classics.

Find me a Peugeot of the same era as a Mk2 escort or mk1 fiesta etc and they aren't likely to be regarded as a classic, or worth as much (example above excepted....) However, Peugeot got their shit in one sock in the 80's/90's and really did make some cars that went on to be the definition of their genre. In the mid to late 90's, anyone who was cool drove one (or more) of the following:

205 GTi
Escort RS Turbo
Renault 5 GT Turbo
Vauxhall Astra GSi

Like the hot Fords of the late 80's and 90's, the value of the Peugeots from this era is starting to take off. Good, low mileage 205's have been proper money for a while now. The 306 is due any time soon. All to do with the generation who wanted one at the time and couldn't afford one now being out the other side of nappy and nursery bills and earning good money and making up for lost time..... Mark my words, soon enough the Rallye and the 6 will be making proper monies!

[procta]

Ford was the car to have Hot hatch wise, right up till the mid 90s as soon as the cosworth and mk3 fiesta finished, Peugeot, citroen vauxhall and Renault took over. Those were the makes to have when I was learning to drive, not many people touched the ford fiestas if you think about it, those four were most common cars, even vag dropped a little bit too. Now its all Vag due to their tuning and Ford have returned, Vauxhall have stayed strong. Only Renault that seems to have kept the French corner looking at what Peugeot and citroen have out now.

[r3k1355]

However, Peugeot got their shit in one sock in the 80's/90's and really did make some cars that went on to be the definition of their genre. 
Good, low mileage 205's have been proper money for a while now. The 306 is due any time soon. 

Well going by your definition, was the 306 the car that went to be the definition of the genre??

It was a good car, but mid-late 90's hatchbacks were not very exciting IMO, the Escort and the Golf became fat and slow, the 205 gave way to the 206 which was a piece of shit, the Astra was a f*cking nasty tin box and the Civic hadn't yet started wearing the esteemed Type R badge.

In essence the 306 was a decent car from a bad era, which may drag prices down compared to the 205 as it was never a proper legend.

[Matt-Rallye]

However, Peugeot got their shit in one sock in the 80's/90's and really did make some cars that went on to be the definition of their genre. 
Good, low mileage 205's have been proper money for a while now. The 306 is due any time soon. 

Well going by your definition, was the 306 the car that went to be the definition of the genre??

It was a good car, but mid-late 90's hatchbacks were not very exciting IMO, the Escort and the Golf became fat and slow, the 205 gave way to the 206 which was a piece of shit, the Astra was a f*cking nasty tin box and the Civic hadn't yet started wearing the esteemed Type R badge.

In essence the 306 was a decent car from a bad era, which may drag prices down compared to the 205 as it was never a proper legend.

Again your talking bollocks.

Civics of that era were rocking the might VTi and VTI-s badges and are still regarded as legendary power output from a 1600 N/A engine out the box. Try finding a similar age civic & 306 in top spec (ph3 gti6 Vs late EK4 VTi-s) and you will see that for YEARS, those civics have been holding silly money!

Example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Civic-EK...SwFV9Xzcok

The 90's was the last of that golden era for hot hatchbacks, after that it was only really renault and honda that continued with the high capacity N/A true hot hatches up until around 2010.

The clio 16v & williams are from the early 90's and have rocketed in value in the last few years, the 306 will undoubtedly go the same way as it already has. Im comletely with Ben on this one and a decent standard 6 or rallye is a sound investent and a nice thing to have tucked away.

[r3k1355]

Wasn't the thread originally about GTI-6's up for sale at £6K? Thats not a sound investment, thats moronic.
If you can pick one up cheap and dry-store it for a number of years it will appreciate, but £6K even in the short-medium term isn't likely.

[MisterGTR]

Wasn't the thread originally about GTI-6's up for sale at £6K? Thats not a sound investment, thats moronic.
If you can pick one up cheap and dry-store it for a number of years it will appreciate, but £6K even in the short-medium term isn't likely.

My £2k car plus the AC work and whatever it costs for a respray £3k? would maybe make £6k. It's low mileage, low owners, service history all the keys etc. I'd clear a grand maybe. But that's 20% return at best. And I'd have tax and insurance, a detail and storage and fees. So I'd make nothing.

I'd rather drive the thing and enjoy it.

[C2K]

Unfortunately, there is false inflation which is also being fuelled in part by dipshits on ebay thinking shit cars with different coloured panels must be worth something "because they're going up in value". Eish.

[MisterGTR]

Unfortunately, there is false inflation which is also being fuelled in part by dipshits on ebay thinking shit cars with different coloured panels must be worth something "because they're going up in value". Eish.

Agreed.

The flight to commodities because of low interest rates doesn't apply to 5k cars either!!

[r3k1355]

Unfortunately, there is false inflation which is also being fuelled in part by dipshits on ebay thinking shit cars with different coloured panels must be worth something "because they're going up in value". Eish.

Like this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-GT...3641.l6368

Over 62,000 miles is hardly a collectors item, not when examples with under 15,000 miles are on the market.

[Blaze Addict]

Unfortunately, there is false inflation which is also being fuelled in part by dipshits on ebay thinking shit cars with different coloured panels must be worth something "because they're going up in value". Eish.

Like this one?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-GT...3641.l6368

Over 62,000 miles is hardly a collectors item, not when examples with under 15,000 miles are on the market.

Or maybe referring to this one?

Sells for £671 a couple of weeks back http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-306-gt...2508393592

chuck on some different panels then list for double the previous price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/306-Rallye-85k...2247245532

Could have at least MOT'd it

[C2K]

I was indeed referring to the two tone shitter in the previous post!

[r3k1355]

That is a particularly good effort, I didn't realise red body panels were so rare?

[Eeyore]

All panels are rare these days. Very difficult to find Diablo ones and even harder to find black ones now.

[procta]

All panels are rare these days. Very difficult to find Diablo ones and even harder to find black ones now.

well i am not surprised, due to the age of the 306 and how often do people want 306 bits.
When i binned off my gta shell, the lads said that the 306 was on the boarder line of just been bailed rather than been broken up.

[r3k1355]

I remember a while back breaking a 306 was pretty much a lost cause, people were selling a few choice bits off a shell and then being stuck with the rest sitting doing nowt on their driveway.

[Toms306]

I remember a while back breaking a 306 was pretty much a lost cause, people were selling a few choice bits off a shell and then being stuck with the rest sitting doing nowt on their driveway.

Yep...I've scrapped loads of decent panels over the years... Mint half leathers as well, and 5dr DTurbo cloth... And entire running HDi engines were stripped just for the rods and the rest scrapped...

It wasn't a lost cause tbf though, back in 2012/13 you could still get more out of breaking than selling, even if you scrapped half the car. It was all about the money back then.

Plus people don't want to pay for stuff even if it is decent with the 306 being fairly cheap to buy whole. I remember selling a complete mint drivers door a few years back, I sold it for a fiver as I needed it gone. The buyer was complaining how the scrap yard wanted to charge £20 for an equivalent door and why they weren't selling them for a fiver...

[r3k1355]

ha ha, I still remember buying a complete 1/2 leather interior (with door cards) for a tenner off eBay.

Times long gone I fear.

[Mattcheese31]

anybody need need any bits? pmsl

[procta]

it will be interesting to see how many 306s are left on the road now, compared to 3 years ago.

[cully]

it will be interesting to see how many 306s are left on the road now, compared to 3 years ago.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/peugeot_306_gti_6
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/peugeot_306_gti-6

according to this no more than 650 GTI 6's on the road

[r3k1355]

and over 700 SORN

[procta]

looks like the last 5 years the 306 has really dropped off now, still a few HDi still knocking about. but again give that another 2 years or so and that will drop to the 100s.
One thing I recon what is happening now, is the private car dealers are just scrapping these now rather than selling them on, My mates dad had the HDI estate and that went in for part ex, One of the lads who worked at the dealer they took it straight down to the scrap yard as soon as the keys were handed over, and that car was on a 51 plate.

[P-Courty]

I think one of the killers has been the scrappage scheme and people going for newer "more reliable" (in their eyes) cars, some maybe not even realising what they had and because of that a fair few have dissapeared into the metal heaven. Seen many good cars go that way all because of that stupid scheme. wouldn't be surprised if a few 6's ended up that way

[Ben_w]

There's a spreadsheet floating around the internet somewhere detailing all the cars scrapped under the scheme. At least two Rallye's from what I remember.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...me-in-2009

21 GTi 6's and two Rallye's.