Unconventional Income

[7057sam]

Sounds like you've got a lot of spare time at the moment.

Start looking into Forex and stuff like spread betting on stocks.
it takes time to understand it all, but you can make decent money when you understand whats going on.

500 plus is a really good free app for that.

[Eeyore]

I wouldnt reccommend stocks tom. You should only put in what you can afford to lose and if you dont have a good job then you havent got any money to lose.

[Dum-Dum]

You've both met me, do you honestly think I'd be any good at security?

'Erm, excuse me, could, umm, could you leave please, you're not meant to be here'...

Yeah you'd be fine mate. Most of the time all it takes is open the barrier for company vehicles/people with a pass and any delivery drivers "can you put on a hi vis and sign here" then write down their company and registration number.

99% of security companies don't expect you to put yourself on offer, you ask people to leave and if they don't you call the police.
There is only 2 types of people who will be trespassing, people who will shit a brick when they see you and people who it wouldn't matter if it was Mike Tyson telling them to f*ck off they aren't going to stop so just let them get on with it and call the Police.

In a year of manned guarding I don't think I ever had any sort of confrontation or anyone on my site who shouldn't of been there (or anyone who should of for that matter). The only remotely interesting thing was coming across a "suspect package" one evening while my supervisor was on site. I'd of poked it with a big stick or kicked it or something but he decided to call the police who turned up, kicked it and opened it to show it was just personal property of a worker.

By and large manned guarding is a bums on seats type job which is why its largely minimum wage. You are there as a deterrent. Half the guards barely spoke any English and my company was always getting moaned at because the night shift guards were always found asleep. I got stuck on days so that when the sites bosses came in there was someone polite, awake and English speaking to speak to them.

I love going for a shite at work. Nothing like squeezing out a half pounder and getting paid for it!

This.. I always remember dum dum puttinf a thread up about this with some app he had and earned a tenna while shitting lol

It was actually 4waydiablo that posted it but yeah bank holiday double time poop

[chylledapps]

Tom, I can't PM yet being a newbie and all that, take a look at www.chylledonline.com and email me from there

[r3k1355]

You've both met me, do you honestly think I'd be any good at security?

'Erm, excuse me, could, umm, could you leave please, you're not meant to be here'...

99% of security companies don't expect you to put yourself on offer, you ask people to leave and if they don't you call the police.

I'd imagine the most they'd want you to do is keep them on camera, while the police arrive.
The last thing a company wants is their security guard getting hurt on the job and putting in a claim.

[7057sam]

I guarded lidl on Saturday absolute doss. Obviously have to check the this like fire exit's are clear.

Some bloke brought his pet snake in(real snake not trouser ) which was abit of a wtf moment

Alot of guarding is the presents of the guard but time does drag.

I'm been asked to remotely guard but I don't have the card to do it.But that more of a sit door less front time type of thing.

[Toms306]

Tom, I can't PM yet being a newbie and all that, take a look at www.chylledonline.com and email me from there

Ah, I should've realised that lol, will e-mail you in a bit!

I guarded lidl on Saturday absolute doss. Obviously  have to check the this like fire exit's are clear.

Some bloke brought his pet snake in(real snake not trouser ) which was abit of a wtf moment

Alot of guarding is the presents of the guard but time does drag.

I'm been asked to remotely guard but I don't have the card to do it.But that more of a sit door less front time type of thing.

A snake!?  Who the hell brings a snake for the weekly shop?  I'll avoid Lidl now in case he goes back.

[r3k1355]

How about buying shit at liquidation auctions and selling it on for profit??

Quite a few things going here:

http://www.johnpye.co.uk/all-auctions/

[Toms306]

That's not a bad idea tbh, none of those are at all local though.

I was also thinking of something easy to sell on for profit, small margin but large quantity type thing. I bought some extra thick number plate pads recently, can't imagine they cost much in bulk, light and easy to post. Just need to think of something there isn't already loads of people selling.

[1616six]

That's not a bad idea tbh, none of those are at all local though.

I was also thinking of something easy to sell on for profit, small margin but large quantity type thing.  I bought some extra thick number plate pads recently, can't imagine they cost much in bulk, light and easy to post.  Just need to think of something there isn't already loads of people selling.

Hence I suggested drop shipping, you can sell virtually anything of any size

[silverzx]

Sack trolleys NEW from Aldi or Lidl (can't remember which) for £10.

Bit of scrap metal and time with a welder can easily see them converted to gas trolleys. Have you seen how much they cost? £70+!!!

[r3k1355]

That's not a bad idea tbh, none of those are at all local though.

yea sorry, I thought you were in Bristol for some reason.

Pity because Tablets are going for under 300 quid on that auction (plus fee's and shit) and the same one is going for 400 notes on eBay.

Problem is out in Suffolk there's f*ck-all going on really

[pug306driver]

yeah, having a crap at work ( god that takes me back ) ....the boss was a right twat........I just imagined that the bowl was his mouth.......etc

[Eeyore]

That's not a bad idea tbh, none of those are at all local though.

I was also thinking of something easy to sell on for profit, small margin but large quantity type thing.  I bought some extra thick number plate pads recently, can't imagine they cost much in bulk, light and easy to post.  Just need to think of something there isn't already loads of people selling.

you will not make a living selling stick back foam for car number plates...

[Toms306]

That's not a bad idea tbh, none of those are at all local though.

I was also thinking of something easy to sell on for profit, small margin but large quantity type thing.  I bought some extra thick number plate pads recently, can't imagine they cost much in bulk, light and easy to post.  Just need to think of something there isn't already loads of people selling.

you will not make a living selling stick back foam for car number plates...

I agree, you need more than one product like that lol.  But say you sell 10 a day and make a quid on each, that's £50 a week, almost as good as JSA!  You have to remember I'm not looking for a career, just 'enough' to get me out of here then I can look into more lucrative things.

[1616six]

I've worked this all out.

Get yourself a premium rate number & become an adult chat line.

Or get webcam.

[Toms306]

Does anyone pay for premium rate lines? Can't they make do with free stuff on the internet lol? This isn't really my area tbf.

[bigcheez2k3]

I live at home and £50 isn't enough a week.

[Seb_Ryan]

There is a job as a pornstar by me on job seekers website, 300 quid a film lol

[7057sam]

You'll need a least £400 a month just to cover bills,Internet, rent,coucil tax etc.

That if your share a place and you still have to factor in food.

I lived on my own for a few months after me and girlfriend split up and was paying 800-900 so just moved back home.

Then you have to start to think with your qualifications and problems you have start to look at minimum wage jobs which would mean you would have to be willing to put in aleast 20-25 hours a week.

[Toms306]

I live at home and £50 isn't enough a week.

I agree, I spend more than that just on food and diesel...before and sort of house bills.

But I meant that per product, if you've got 5 similar products on the go that's £250...  

I did work it all out last year and realised even at full time minimum wage I wouldn't be able to support myself in a 1 bed flat in Ipswich.  Which just depressed me so I gave up for months.   That didn't seem to create any progress though, surprisingly.  

But at least it'd be a start lol...

[rocker8742]

I wouldnt reccommend stocks tom. You should only put in what you can afford to lose and if you dont have a good job then you havent got any money to lose.

Probably sound advice from what I've seen

[7057sam]

You need JJ to give you the heads up on the halfords deals,could made a killing on the £1 car cleaning bits.Easily double your money.

I guess if you get thinking along the lines of what you like doing rather than what you could do to pay rent etc.

That doing somthing you like would/could give you the motivation to maybe do more hours.

But like you said if you get a couple of products on the go you'll be making money whilst you sleep

[Shiny]

Amazing to see the support here.

Why can't you get jsa if you don't mind me asking?

My suggestion is digital content. You can make almost anything digital and sell it online eg illustrations, 3d models, photography. Don't feel limited by a lack of camera or other things, get creative. Make a cardboard cut out and scan it. Photocopy car parts. If only three people buy it, you haven't lost anything, and there is a market for almost everything on places like shutterstock.

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Also, you can move in to a one bed flat and if you can't afford you can claim housing benefit. It's there to help those of us on low income. I was earning 17k, and renting a place for £650 a month and the council offered to pay half. You're fully entitled to it, and if you don't ask, you don't get.
Few people realise housing benefit is open to a great deal of us to improve our well being. Lord knows I've paid my dues in taxes, gotta reap the rewards!

[Poodle]

JSA means you have to apply for the shit jobs that they find you and turn up to interviews and take the job if it's offered, otherwise it's cancelled. Much better than the old system imo, but doesn't leave much room for people like Tom.

Tom, there's something in the suggestion of auctions and clearances, easy way to make money if you're careful with what you buy. My mum entertains herself by visiting flea markets and the like and picking up vintage furniture for a few quid, which she then refurbishes and sells on for a few hundred, sometimes more. Job lots and bad listings on ebay are another little gold mine, pick up something somebody's throwing away and clean it up for a profit. Half the stuff you'll lose money on or even have to bin, but the profit on the rest should be worth it if you're sensible.

http://www.carbootsales.org/county/suffolk.html
http://www.suffolk.police.uk/aboutus/our...tions.aspx

[Toms306]

I wouldnt reccommend stocks tom. You should only put in what you can afford to lose and if you dont have a good job then you havent got any money to lose.

Probably sound advice from what I've seen

Yeah I won't be gambling money I don't have lol.  The odd scratch card is enough money wasting for me, though I do realise the best money is to be made on gambles...that's what the banks do all day every day!
 

I guess if you get thinking along the lines of what you like doing rather than what you could do to pay rent etc.

That doing somthing you like would/could give you the motivation to maybe do more hours.

It's not a case of lack of motivation for the time I can do stuff, it's that most of the time is taken up by other people, and when they're out whats left is taken up by OCD and IBS.  The latter I can sort of deal with and plan for, but working around people is what takes away most of my time now - that's really what makes this thread different from the one 2 years ago, back them I did have a lot more time, and easily enough for a PT job.

The other thing is I don't really like doing anything.  I think I like doing things...but then try them once, realise I didn't like it and don't bother again.  Only thing I like is tinkering with cars BUT when its not my daily, not causing hassle for other people and not under pressure, so that doesn't really work out either lol.

Amazing to see the support here.

Why can't you get jsa if you don't mind me asking?

My suggestion is digital content. You can make almost anything digital and sell it online eg illustrations, 3d models, photography. Don't feel limited by a lack of camera or other things, get creative. Make a cardboard cut out and scan it. Photocopy car parts. If only three people buy it, you haven't lost anything, and there is a market for almost everything on places like shutterstock.

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Also,  you can move in to a one bed flat and if you can't afford you can claim housing benefit. It's there to help those of us on low income. I was earning 17k, and renting a place for £650 a month and the council offered to pay half. You're fully entitled to it, and if you don't ask, you don't get.
Few people realise housing benefit is open to a great deal of us to improve our well being. Lord knows I've paid my dues in taxes, gotta reap the rewards!

The support here is better than any OCD/anxiety forum I've been on!  Plus I like to think I have some good car fwends from here over the years!

I did say earlier but I don't expect anyone to read the whole thread now.  But for JSA you have to be able to do a full time job - which I can't so that's out.  For ESA (disability) you really have to be physically ill in some way, the system doesn't really cater for me with fairly 'minor' (in their eyes) mental illness and able to work but only very few hours and flexibly.  I'm sort of stuck in between. 

I did actually go on JSA when I was 18, and ended up taking a job that made me worse off anyway lol.
 

JSA means you have to apply for the shit jobs that they find you and turn up to interviews and take the job if it's offered, otherwise it's cancelled. Much better than the old system imo, but doesn't leave much room for people like Tom.

Tom, there's something in the suggestion of auctions and clearances, easy way to make money if you're careful with what you buy. My mum entertains herself by visiting flea markets and the like and picking up vintage furniture for a few quid, which she then refurbishes and sells on for a few hundred, sometimes more. Job lots and bad listings on ebay are another little gold mine, pick up something somebody's throwing away and clean it up for a profit. Half the stuff you'll lose money on or even have to bin, but the profit on the rest should be worth it if you're sensible.

http://www.carbootsales.org/county/suffolk.html
http://www.suffolk.police.uk/aboutus/our...tions.aspx

Yeah that's another good idea, someone recommend a website last year that searches ebay for mis-spellings, local bargains etc and I did start to get a few items like that, cant really remember why I stopped doing it but its something I should start again.

I'm not so sure on vintage/antique stuff though, had a hell of a job trying to sell stuff from Nan's cottage when she downsized, and most of it was old stock from when she was a dealer herself (antiques, not drugs  ).

I need to find something that I can fix/tidy easily and that is in demand....guessing that is the difficult part I suppose.

[1616six]

If I'm being brutally honest Tom and I don't want to offend you, I think the reason you're stuck in this rut is that you've got it easy - and I know you won't agree with that.

You're 22, live at home, have a decent daily and a weekend toy, don't work, and 'get by'. I use the phrase get by as you clearly aren't happy in the position you're in, and do want to make a change - however in the current position because you can get by day to day it's a case of you aren't forced into making a change.

If it were a case of you had nowhere to live, you would be down the council offices begging for a 1 bed flat anywhere you could get one, this would then literally force you to take any job you could take, and there onward you'd get worse before getting better, but the change would have no other way but to happen.

I've known you for years now and as you know I've tried to help in every way possible both openly on here and privately, I've seen you at rock bottom, make progress (Norwich for example - you did great.) and then back to the start again. I don't know how you do it - I take it from what you say that you currently live off of savings/bits of cash you make here and there, what are you going to do when the savings dry up? (I guess that's why you're asking now?)

If there was an easy way of making money, preferably from home - We would all be doing it!

You certainly aren't the only one with the issues you have, have you spoken to other people with similar issues? How do they get by? They must either work, or get benefits?

You need to battle these demons and face up to them, from what you've said it comes across like it's easier to give up than fight, you mention that you don't really like doing anything.. not many people do! You know what many of us do for a living, do you think we like doing it? I'd much rather do something I enjoy, but it's difficult to find that.

Again please don't take offence as I'm only trying to help as a friend!

[Toms306]

If I'm being brutally honest Tom and I don't want to offend you, I think the reason you're stuck in this rut is that you've got it easy - and I know you won't agree with that.

You're 22, live at home, have a decent daily and a weekend toy, don't work, and 'get by'. I use the phrase get by as you clearly aren't happy in the position you're in, and do want to make a change - however in the current position because you can get by day to day it's a case of you aren't forced into making a change.

If it were a case of you had nowhere to live, you would be down the council offices begging for a 1 bed flat anywhere you could get one, this would then literally force you to take any job you could take, and there onward you'd get worse before getting better, but the change would have no other way but to happen.

I've known you for years now and as you know I've tried to help in every way possible both openly on here and privately, I've seen you at rock bottom, make progress (Norwich for example - you did great.) and then back to the start again. I don't know how you do it - I take it from what you say that you currently live off of savings/bits of cash you make here and there, what are you going to do when the savings dry up? (I guess that's why you're asking now?)

If there was an easy way of making money, preferably from home - We would all be doing it!

You certainly aren't the only one with the issues you have, have you spoken to other people with similar issues? How do they get by? They must either work, or get benefits?

You need to battle these demons and face up to them, from what you've said it comes across like it's easier to give up than fight, you mention that you don't really like doing anything.. not many people do! You know what many of us do for a living, do you think we like doing it? I'd much rather do something I enjoy, but it's difficult to find that.

Again please don't take offence as I'm only trying to help as a friend!

You've gotta try harder than that if you want to offend me.  

I think your choice of words there is poor, theres nothing easy about the situation, I don't cope with it at all and its more that time moves on I get dragged along with it than anything else.  That lack of coping and the fact everything moves so quickly and is just overwhelming is why I don't make any progress here.  I mean were almost in February, I'm sure December only started a fortnight ago!

However I do agree with your point, I'm not living in a cardboard box, and I can 'afford' to get by.    There is a risk I could make my situation worse, and I don't like that risk so find it near impossible to commit a lot of time and money into possibly making something worse....what if I still cant cope after moving out?  What if I cant afford it even with a job and end up in debt that I cant pay off?  What if I have another breakdown?  What if I'll never be able to cope with life?  I did try to force myself back into earning a couple of years back when money was running low, but it didn't work, I just bought less food, stopped going out to use less fuel (which then caused going out to become a massive problem again!) and didn't buy anything unnecessary.  Then I had some bereavements within that year and inheritance topped up the savings so I started trying to get out again.

If I was forced to live on the streets I'd probably just top myself, why not, nothing to lose by that point. 

With the current money situation, the reality is the savings won't dry up for years on my current budget with the inheritance as well.  Even if they did I'd find ways round it, sell the car, tools, etc.  Plus I make a bit extra selling stuff and doing odd jobs for old ladies.  There won't be a point where I'm forced into it for years, but you're right that without that its hard to make the leap...

I don't believe everyone would go for an easy way of making money at all, if that was the case no-one would do anything other than a minimum hours, minimum wage job...but most people like a challenge, and having extra income for a bigger house/car etc, and of course bragging rights.    I must admit, I never have had the 'drive' for a challenge, mediocrity will do me lol.

As I've already explained, I haven't found anyone in the same situation as me after years of forumming, I really wish I could! - I can find people with the same individual problems, but they have more options because of that.  The one thing they all have in common though, and I hear every damn time I ask how people get on is 'I have a really supportive girlfriend/boyfriend, I couldn't have done it without her/him'.  

When I say I don't like doing anything, I mean anything!  Not just from a job point of view, but most people like something, even if its just food or intercourse, so can reward themselves after a hard task.  I cant really find anything to do that for me, when I think I'll like something I usually end up thinking 'well, this is shit, why did I bother'.  

If I've learnt anything over the last couple of years, it's that you cant fight everything, you have to chose your battles and let some things slide.  This makes some things worse while others get better unfortunately, so then you work on the thing that's getting worse and that means the thing that was getting better is now dropping again, its a never ending battle, and a losing one even without trying to fight everything!  And frankly I'm knackered by 5pm every day just trying to fight through the day, whether that's getting up, eating, going out out, its all a battle that takes energy that I don't have any more and I'm having to let more and more slide now. 

Something has to give eventually, but I have a feeling it'll be my sanity before anything else.

[Kezzieboy]

I disagree with the people saying you should just get a minimum wage job, there's nothing that complex about being self employed, 1000s of people do it. Also, to fiddle the unemployment stats the Tories are currently incentivising self-employment, and topping up wages with benefits, so that might be something work looking at.

[procta]

dum dum, I thought you worked with the old bill?