RIP Maggie Thatcher. National Iconic Leader

[Mattcheese31]

what about the 30 somethings that know she was an evil, divisive, elitist C**t and don't have to read the history books to try and find out if she was bad or not? . . . . . she was spawn of satan and you can all have your "opinions" but i lived through it and remember, there's a reason people are partying, it's a bit shallow partying for me, but all those from mining communities are within their rights, they were only trying to get a fair shake and had their lives destroyed, i did raise a glass in her passing and not in fond memory either .

rant over . . .

Hardly fair to celebrate her death though is it? Despite what she may of done right or wrong, no one can deny she only had the countries best interests at heart but no politician will ever please everyone!

sorry i just nearly wet myself . . . . .she had the interests of a small proportion of the country at heart, put her in the same league as some of the worse dictators you can think of, she sold your country to the highest bidder mate, something i don't think we'll recover from in my lifetime . . . .

[Oil-burner]

Yeah fair doos its someones mum but were they sorry when she ruined families lives and put people out of work?
No I remember the hardships of that time and it wasnt pleasant!
Most of you lot thqt are whinging about my post arent old enough to remember it, stand in our shoes and see if your opinion differs!

[Poodle]

So Niall, youre telling us that, come the end of ww2, you wouldnt have raised a glass to the memory of hitler? Im not saying she was like hitler, but a lot of people had their lives completely rearranged for them, I think its understandable some believe the world is a better place for her passing. Ill be doing the same when blair goes, sooner the better imho.

Although, for the record, I reckon shes the strongest prime minister this country's had in recent history and did a lot of good for the country. She just did it with apparently little consideration for the people who had to bear the weight of said changes.

[Jonny b]

Thing is she took the job to change things, and as we all know your never going to please everyone! The unions needed sorting out! While they were a good idea at the beginning, they ended up being run by scumbags that had only their own interests at heart!! Striking all over the f*cking place, factory's that had thousands of people working that done fuckall, gold plated jobs for life because their dad/grandfather worked there, I don't agree with everything she done but we would be in a worse state now had she not. Iam as working class as you like! Things change that's just a fact of life, instead of people moaning about losing their jobs, find another or start your own business it's not rocket science!

As for comparing her to bin laden and hitler, ffs she never killed anyone!!

She is a mother and a grandmother, people should learn some morality

[Niall]

Poodle it's unfair to compare her to hitler or bin laden. Yes I would of celebrated hitlers death if I was around in his time. Difference is, market thatcher was trying to do good. Hitler was a f*cked up purely evil individual so it's unfair to compare the two.

No government will ever please everyone. Personally I think Cameron is doing a good job at the moment but a lot would disagree with me.

Mattcheese. Why would she not want best for her country? If you ever watched any interviews with her on tv, she was incredibly proud to be British so why would she not want the best for her country? The one thing that I have been told by everyone I've spoken to about this is that at the time, the unions were taking the piss and it needed sorting. There was always going to be people who lost out but it kept the country from being over run by wankers in unions!

[Mattcheese31]

what go around come around Jonny my old bean, that's why she's not getting much morality imo mate lol

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Niall....the unions and the pit closures are what comes to the fore, there was so much else though mate, all gearing towards making the rich richer and keeping us working class scrotes down where we belong, you'd have struggled to pay a mortgage with nearly a 10% base rate mate, and when you saw all your national services being sold off it was horrible, i could rant about her all day, but i'm on my phone and it's killing my finger, she did good for the then middle and upper classes but not for me and mine, ie the majority of the UK ......X

[Niall]

Yeah I know it wasn't just about the mines mate but as I've said, I wasn't alive so I could listen to people like my parents all day who were alive then but people's opinions are normally biased so I would rather not base mine on someone else's. still don't agree with celebrating her death. If it really was that bad, I would of understood celebrating the end of her term in office but not her death. That's just wrong

[Ruan]

Im in neither camp, she did good things, the education system was improved massively and the NHS, however the privatisation that went on is the worst thing that happened to this country. We were world leaders in some industries as they were government backed! Our rail network was privatised admittedly under John Major and now look at it, its f*cking hopeless!!!

All because she believed that these industries were stagnant and over staffed, rather than solving the problem at its root, the whole lot was privatised which in the short term saw profitability improve, but now we're at the mercy of massive companies who have monopolised industries....

Thats just my opinion on it... The big British government backed industries such as Hawker Siddley(BAe), English Electric, British Steel were some of the best things our country had... But now theyre gone we won't get it back and now.our country makes nothing, we are purely services which nobody buys in Times of economic downturn for a lot of countries...

[lolsteve]

Watched the full Monty a couple of months back with my northern housemate and during that sitting I pointed out the main guy got quite a few jobs offers during that movie, even the older supervisor nearly got one until they ruined it for him and the fat guy just ran away from his job. But the main guy kept turning them down, to which the housemate replied "they weren't very good jobs and he just wants to work back at steel mill"
So maybe the north was badly affected by the changes but if the Full Monty is anything to go on you didn't help yourselves

tbf there may be more to the story but we was getting jolly on some dodgy homebrew at the time XD

[cwspellowe]

As for comparing her to bin laden and hitler, ffs she never killed anyone!!

She is a mother and a grandmother, people should learn some morality

Maybe she didn't herself, no, but she was a staunch supporter of Pinochet during his 17 years of genocide. She also ordered an attack on the Belgrano when it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from conflict which makes her a war criminal.

Don't be blinded by the fact she was British like the people, her policies were some of the most extreme the UK has ever seen, the ONLY thing she can be commended for is for being the first female PM.

Then there's the Union strikes and the South Yorkshire Police's heavy handed political stance, which was in turn repaid for by covering up their involvement in the Hillsborough disaster. She labelled all football supporters as hooligans and I for one certainly hope there are no marks of respect shown at ANY games this weekend.

As far as i'm concerned, she and only she can be accountable for what she did to the country. She may well have got some stuff right, but what she did to the class divide in the country has never been fixed, and to blame Labour for everything that's happened since is to disregard the Tory-like political views of Blair and his New Labour.

Thatcherism f*cked a lot of people over and was the beginning of the end in terms of masses of debt and ultimately the downgrading of the UK's credit status. Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg have all toed a similar line since then, despite supposedly having two polar opposite political parties in power.

VAT hike, poll tax, school closures, killing of british industry, deregulation of banks.. god knows how anyone can say she had the best interests of the UK at heart. People seem to forget that the poor working class are the ones that keep industry going. All the middle class with their mid-high level management positions may claim they pull the shots, but at the end of the day the grafters at the bottom of the ladder on minimum wage deserve more respect than the vilification they received under her regime.

[Jonny b]

Like i said i dont agree with all she done! mines would have closed eventually anyways! she wanted to support nuclear power! something we should be doing! We need some extreme policies now! Could do with having her back tbh! She had more bollocks than the whole of parliament put together, shut the f*cking gates!! We're full! Get out all people that are here illegally! f*ck Europe!! And get the whole generation of work shy f*cking working for their benefits!

[Niall]

Jonny for a old bastard, IMO you speak a lot of sense. We should be friends!

[Jonny b]

Jonny for a old bastard, IMO you speak a lot of sense. We should be friends!

We should be friends but your a wanker lol

[Niall]

Three types of people in this world Jonny. Wankers, liars and toms306

[Jonny b]

Ha ha loves ya babes!! When you gonna do my beam mounts bitch?

[Poodle]

You two need to read my post again, the bit where it says "im not saying shes like hitler".

However, for arguments sake, lets bring it down to some basic facts: she tried to do what she considered to be the best for country, it just happened to f*ck up a lot of people not from her walk of life. Isnt that how hitler started out..? I daresay if hitler had left out the pogroms, he would also still be viewed as one of germany's strongest leaders. Welcome to reality - people are shit and the difference between a hero and a villian is down to whos telling the story.

[Niall]

Yeah in that respect you could compare the two but there is one fundimatal difference. Hitler killed millions. Thatcher didn't!

[Marcus1991]

The way i see it is, if you have a business that is failing and loosing money/costing to much money to run , you are going to shut it down. And unfortunately this was the case with the mines. Time and technology moves on, and they would have shut down eventually.

[Matt]

Sometimes I'm glad I'm too stupid too understand politics haha

[ginge191]

I think at the end of the day, the tory PARTY are in the firing line, if any, for the policies implemented.

Yes, she changed a lot, but take the current political decisions made, you're stupid to think that Cameron/Clegg are the sole decision makers, they've got teams of specialists, who themselves have teams who work towards a collective.

Thatcher was merely pushed forward as the dominant representative; yes she done some harsh things but again she revolutionised much of how are country works.

The bottom line; she made the north poor and the south rich.

[Niall]

Yes ginge! Really the PM is just a face of the party. Bit of a shit job. Their just paid to take shit for the party

[HDIkyle]

Like i said i dont agree with all she done! mines would have closed eventually anyways! she wanted to support nuclear power! something we should be doing! We need some extreme policies now! Could do with having her back tbh! She had more bollocks than the whole of parliament put together, shut the f*cking gates!! We're full! Get out all people that are here illegally! f*ck Europe!! And get the whole generation of work shy f*cking working for their benefits!

Amen! Couldn't agree more myself

[procta]

I think at the end of the day, the tory PARTY are in the firing line, if any, for the policies implemented.

Yes, she changed a lot, but take the current political decisions made, you're stupid to think that Cameron/Clegg are the sole decision makers, they've got teams of specialists, who themselves have teams who work towards a collective.

Thatcher was merely pushed forward as the dominant representative; yes she done some harsh things but again she revolutionised much of how are country works.

The bottom line; she made the north poor and the south rich.

your right about that ginge, some parts of the north, is a desert for jobs. I bet you will find a pub grub up here cheaper than your local pub joint down south.

[Ben Jay]

theres a news story that the song ding dong the witch is dead is going to be high in the charts and the BBC aren't sure if they will play it or not.

Yes she made some bad decisions when she was in power but havnt all the govenments before and since then done that?!
Look at tony blair for fucks sake!!! why would you want to celebrate a womans death who was in her 80s, hasnt been in power for 2 decades, and actaully made the big decisions that helped the country?!

AND the icing on the cake is the people buying the song are probably too young to even know what she even did for this country!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oil-burner]

Just like 90% of the posters in this thread!

[Pete]

This made me lol



I'm too young(just) to remember her properly TBH, So neither love or hate her..However I've lots of respect for her, the strongest leader we've had IMO, More balls than anyone since.

[Oil-burner]

Again but same with all tories make the rich richer and the poor poorer how is that admirable?

[Mattcheese31]

it's hard for those not old enough to have lived through it to appreciate what she did, also to understand why some of us still feel so passionate about it, it's really difficult to get past that to be honest . . the points Pellow and Ruan make are a few of the good reasons why some of us are so anti-Maggie . . . . . . . . . depending on your social class and your geographical whereabouts you WILL feel differently about it if you're old enough, even if you're not, we're all coloured by our parents/grandparents views . . . . . .like i said to someone the other day, yes she was a powerful leader, power without wisdom or compassion though is useless . . . . .


ding dong . .

[Jonny b]

You have control over your own earning potential!! You alone! No one else!! If you don't feel you earn enough then change it!! Don't blame a government that has 60million people to try and please!!

I was a little lady garden when growing up, done things in my past that I shouldn't , went to prison, Iam earning 50k+ only person that changed that was me! Don't hear me moaning

[Mattcheese31]

You have control over your own earning potential!! You alone! No one else!! If you don't feel you earn enough then change it!! Don't blame a government that has 60million people to try and please!!

I was a little lady garden when growing up, done things in my past that I shouldn't , went to prison, Iam earning 50k+ only person that changed that was me! Don't hear me moaning

there's limited jobs in that wage bracket mate, even if everyone was intelligent and qualified enough there wouldn't be the jobs for them, so what you're saying isn't strictly true, there's also the issue of workers in industry being paid a fair wage, why shouldn't they be? their job is important too, not everyone can be web designers, surgeons and astronauts ffs . . . . . my view is based on my area and what i've seen, i'm not moaning in fairness, just saying it how i see it . . x