04-12-2014, 12:52 AM
Wow theres alot of shit in this thread.
I had a chat about this with someone earlier and I reckon people are panicking over nothing.
I'll start by saying that I haven't actually seen this is writing so its speculation on my behalf as to what's actually happening.
It would appear that the councils have applied for an anti social behaviour injunction, this is under new legislation that only came into force a couple of months ago to tackle ASB. Sadly I was pretty much asleep throughout the training on it. In the press it has said 2 cars from gathering in public between 3pm and 7am but that is preposterous, there needs to be some further terms on that surely as what If I go out and meet my little sister at a restaurant for dinner and we both drive and meet in the car park?
Also public place is a funny one as Santa Pod is technically a public place as any member of public who wants to can turn up and pay to get in however if we had a retail car park we were allowed to have a meet in overnight and only let in people from the club (with someone standing on the gate or similar) then that normally public car park would become a private place as you are only allowing entry to a certain section or group not general public.
Also I'd suggest that if they can't find the police officers to deal with it with the pre existing laws then they aren't going to do any better with this. They used a dispersal order (s30 ASBA 2003) to stop Enfield cruise rather effectively. There is also conspiracy to cause a public nuisance and a whole raft of road traffic laws (that also apply in public places), s59 warnings (s59 PRA 2002) and even the public order act of 1984. If you cant find something out of that lot to start getting rid of cruisers then the chances are they probably aren't going to be upsetting anyone.
Also if you are talking about a cruise of 250 people and they want to be difficult then you'll need at least 500 officers to fix it and nowhere has space for 500 prisoners. That and I think the ECHR might have something to say if you were arrested for meeting up with some friends and get arrested and imprisoned when you haven't actually upset anyone as if you believe the horror stories thats whats going to happen.
I had a chat about this with someone earlier and I reckon people are panicking over nothing.
I'll start by saying that I haven't actually seen this is writing so its speculation on my behalf as to what's actually happening.
It would appear that the councils have applied for an anti social behaviour injunction, this is under new legislation that only came into force a couple of months ago to tackle ASB. Sadly I was pretty much asleep throughout the training on it. In the press it has said 2 cars from gathering in public between 3pm and 7am but that is preposterous, there needs to be some further terms on that surely as what If I go out and meet my little sister at a restaurant for dinner and we both drive and meet in the car park?
Also public place is a funny one as Santa Pod is technically a public place as any member of public who wants to can turn up and pay to get in however if we had a retail car park we were allowed to have a meet in overnight and only let in people from the club (with someone standing on the gate or similar) then that normally public car park would become a private place as you are only allowing entry to a certain section or group not general public.
Also I'd suggest that if they can't find the police officers to deal with it with the pre existing laws then they aren't going to do any better with this. They used a dispersal order (s30 ASBA 2003) to stop Enfield cruise rather effectively. There is also conspiracy to cause a public nuisance and a whole raft of road traffic laws (that also apply in public places), s59 warnings (s59 PRA 2002) and even the public order act of 1984. If you cant find something out of that lot to start getting rid of cruisers then the chances are they probably aren't going to be upsetting anyone.
Also if you are talking about a cruise of 250 people and they want to be difficult then you'll need at least 500 officers to fix it and nowhere has space for 500 prisoners. That and I think the ECHR might have something to say if you were arrested for meeting up with some friends and get arrested and imprisoned when you haven't actually upset anyone as if you believe the horror stories thats whats going to happen.