Duggan Case

[Kezzieboy]

I do believe that racism is still about on a personal level but on a company (e.g, being employed) level, i don't think it is because most companies would get destroyed for not employing someone based on their ethnicity (unless of course somehow it stopped them from doing the job).

I dont agree with the fact that crime is being committed by the poor. Your saying that its typically black youths that commit crime due to their back grounds but what I'm saying is in a area such as Tottenham where the population is largely black people (funny really that Srowell lives near there!), you can't say that they are committing crimes just due to their back ground.

You're right, it's now very hard to discriminate against people due to their ethnic background, which is good, but it will be many years before the very recent legislation governing this starts making an impact. In other words it'll be another 20 years minimum before minorities (whether that is due to race, gender or sexuality) are fairly represented in the upper levels of business and politics.

So who is committing the crime? Don't find many middle class thieves, or upper class vandals I don't imagine. I don't know enough about London to comment on how affluent different areas are or aren't, but I'm guessing most of the gang related crime and petty crime is in poor areas. Many of which consist largely of minorities due to the inequities within our society.

I don't think you can extend what happens within certain minority groups to what happens in all minority groups. There is areas of London where "white British" is an ethnic minority but you don't hear them bleating about it.

There is racism in this country but alot of what is called racist isn't and alot of the actual racism goes unseen.

But in they are residential areas, I imagine the police in those areas, and those in other positions of power are still dominated massively by White British Males.

I definitely don’t agree with the Racism argument here, I also don’t agree minorities are treated unfairly, we are probably the most tolerant country in the world, comparing the UK’s human rights record with almost any other country on the planet will demonstrate this.
I do agree that generally socio-economic conditions breed crime and ultimately civil unrest, but this isn’t necessarily caused by race, you only have to look around the world, every country in the world will have areas that have high unemployment, poor housing, deprivation or some sort of oppression, ie shanty towns in Brazil, unemployment in Greece, social oppression in Russia and China etc , all of these have areas which are equally or more ‘charged’ than Tottenham, ever will be, the fact that there isn’t as much actual civil unrest in these places is largely down to the extreme response of the local authorities remember the peace protests in tiananmen square ? this wasn’t to do with race or minorities, in the same way organised crime in the Baltic’s isn’t about race, fact is the way we respond to adversity is human nature it's just in the UK racism is the perfect excuse.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, I wish I had the necessary statistics on tap, but I'll have to wait until I can find some of the studies I have read about the subject.

Yes, Britain is infinitely more fair than countries like Russia and those in the developing/third world and even than the USA by a country mile. However, that doesn't mean we should stop pushing for complete equality in our country, does it? There ARE countries that are better than us in terms of human rights and equality, so we can continue to improve.

I'm not saying ALL unrest is a result of race, that would be absurd. I was speaking specifically about areas of London and wider areas of the country. And I did say the causes run deeper than simple racism, it's due to the economic inequality at every level, much of which is due to the discrimination against various minorities that is still rife today, and was FAR worse as little as 20 years ago.

I might add that with the statistics regarding crime and who is committing it that I am entirely confident that the Police only deal with the stupid end of the spectrum and this skews the spectrum. There is evidence to suggest that people on lower incomes have lower IQ and criminals tend to have lower IQs also. IIRC there is also data regarding IQs of certain ethnic groups and so you could probably work out something clever with that but it all starts getting a bit analytics/big data for me

What's the stupid end of the spectrum?

Sweeping statements about the IQ of people based on race or economic background are pushing your luck, mate. Find some actual evidence and then I'll listen.

Ooh, here's another one, why are as a society do we (and the press) focus on what is essentially petty crime, and tend to ignore far more significant crime such as the massive tax evasion committed by high profile companies like Google and our beloved Phillip Green (of Arcadia group).