22-02-2012, 01:19 PM
I think there is still a class system, it's just the lines are a lot more blurred than they were in the days of bourgeois vs proletariat!
From my experience at university so far there just seems to be a vast middle class of people living very comfortably, but that you wouldn't necessarily call 'rich'.
I also think the issue is blurred by the fact the baseline has raised substantially, it's easy to work out peoples backgrounds at uni simply by asking what student finance they get. I live in the cheapest halls available, and yet am one of only maybe 3 people (out of around 30) that gets the full grant provided to those with a household income of less than ~£20k IIRC. Even in this accommodation I'd say the majority get little to no grant, meaning a household income of £50k+
It's hard to categorise people using the traditional measures (as Cheesey boy said) as by income, I'm very much working class, however as my dad is self-employed in a skilled job I could be seen as middle class, and from the outside by looking at our house you'd guess upper-middle (although that's entirely due to good fortune with the mortgage and housing market!).
Another fun one to include is debt, as I've grown up with plenty of people whose parents always drive new cars, but it's purely because they borrow the money, further confusing the situation from an outside perspective.
So yeah, dunno where I'm going with this, other than I'd say there is still a class-system, it's merely less visible and rigid than in the past.
From my experience at university so far there just seems to be a vast middle class of people living very comfortably, but that you wouldn't necessarily call 'rich'.
I also think the issue is blurred by the fact the baseline has raised substantially, it's easy to work out peoples backgrounds at uni simply by asking what student finance they get. I live in the cheapest halls available, and yet am one of only maybe 3 people (out of around 30) that gets the full grant provided to those with a household income of less than ~£20k IIRC. Even in this accommodation I'd say the majority get little to no grant, meaning a household income of £50k+
It's hard to categorise people using the traditional measures (as Cheesey boy said) as by income, I'm very much working class, however as my dad is self-employed in a skilled job I could be seen as middle class, and from the outside by looking at our house you'd guess upper-middle (although that's entirely due to good fortune with the mortgage and housing market!).
Another fun one to include is debt, as I've grown up with plenty of people whose parents always drive new cars, but it's purely because they borrow the money, further confusing the situation from an outside perspective.
So yeah, dunno where I'm going with this, other than I'd say there is still a class-system, it's merely less visible and rigid than in the past.
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