FAQ: Rear Beam Camber & Toe Specs

[Ed Doe]

year..............Make..............Model......... ..........Variant...............................Toe..........Camber (degrees/minutes)
85 - 92..........Peugeot..........205.................. .....1.6 GTI, 1.9 GTI, Rallye.......3.6...........0.5
85 - 92..........Peugeot..........205 / 309..............Base............................. ......3.1..........0.5
93 -->...........Peugeot..........205................... ....Cab, Van, Base....................3.4..........0.5
86 - 90..........Peugeot..........309.................. .....GTI.....................................3.8.. .......0.5
90 - 93..........Peugeot..........309.................. .....GTI, GTI16..........................5............1.15
94 -->...........Peugeot..........306................... ....S16, GTI-6..........................4.2..........1.2
97 -->...........Peugeot..........306................... ....1.8 16v...............................3.4..........1.2
98 -->...........Citroen...........Xsara................ ....Base...................................4.5.... ......1.2
98 -->...........Citroen...........Xsara................ ....VTS.....................................5..... .......1.2
93 -->...........Citroen...........ZX................... ......Base, 16v............................0.............1
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*note this doesn't come out very easy to read on a phone unless you view in landscape.... X

[Oil-burner]

So does that mean our beams should have 1.2 degrees negative chamber?
Your right it's a pita to read on a phone!

[samass]

what about the dervs and xsis?

[Niall]

Ed you might want to change it to by model (e.g XS, meridian). That would be a bit easier for some bearing in mind some engines went in several different spec cars.

Edit: Because im a baws

High spec models. GTi, Rallye, XS, HDi Dturbo etc
94 -->...........Peugeot..........306................... ....S16, GTI-6..........................4.2..........1.2

Low spec models. Meridian, LX etc
97 -->...........Peugeot..........306................... ....1.8 16v...............................3.4..........1.2

[Matt]

Just me that can't make a lot on sense of that?

[Poodle]

Um, yes?

[Matt]

fuuuu it was 3 am and on the phone, now on pc it looks alot better and lines up and stuff

[Ed Doe]

fuuuu it was 3 am and on the phone, now on pc it looks alot better and lines up and stuff

So you didn't read it all. Cuz then you'd have seen the bit where I said it doesn't work in portrait view on a smartphone...


Niall, this has been shamelessly copied from another forum; if you feel like editing it to add more info crack on

[Matt]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

[Ed Doe]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

Should've bought a proper phone then!!! #iTroll

[Niall]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

Should've bought a proper phone then!!! #iTroll

Quite funny really that hes tried to troll matt and his iphone by saying that and ending it with /itroll but his HTC has failed horrendously and cant even tell the difference between a hash and a forward slash!

Ed, will do a different version in a bit with a bit more data for mongs

[Ed Doe]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

Should've bought a proper phone then!!! #iTroll

Quite funny really that hes tried to troll matt and his iphone by saying that and ending it with /itroll but his HTC has failed horrendously and cant even tell the difference between a hash and a forward slash!

Ed, will do a different version in a bit with a bit more data for mongs

No I meant hashtag you bender lol!

Fair play, look forward to the extra info

[cwspellowe]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

Should've bought a proper phone then!!! #iTroll

Quite funny really that hes tried to troll matt and his iphone by saying that and ending it with /itroll but his HTC has failed horrendously and cant even tell the difference between a hash and a forward slash!

Ed, will do a different version in a bit with a bit more data for mongs

Ed was reaching for the / key but a cyclist swerved in front of his finger while trying to avoid an invisible BMW and ed's camber adjustable fingers meant one was shorter than he expected and it hit the # key by mistake.

It's science.

[Niall]

Yes I read that bit, put it too landscape and it still looked shit haha

Should've bought a proper phone then!!! #iTroll

Quite funny really that hes tried to troll matt and his iphone by saying that and ending it with /itroll but his HTC has failed horrendously and cant even tell the difference between a hash and a forward slash!

Ed, will do a different version in a bit with a bit more data for mongs

Ed was reaching for the / key but a cyclist swerved in front of his finger while trying to avoid an invisible BMW and ed's camber adjustable fingers meant one was shorter than he expected and it hit the # key by mistake.

It's science.

Repped

[lolsteve]

does the 0.8 toe difference between base and high spec make much difference to real world driving

[Ed Doe]

Depends on the rest of the set up really. You'll notice it more on a well set up car, but on a normal car with lowering g springs or cheap coilovers on the roads I doubt you'd notice it at all

[Piggy]

i duno... 0.8 is a lot of rear toe

[Poodle]

Was wondering actually, why does the '6 have more toe? Would have thought less would have given a sharper turn-in etc..?

[cwspellowe]

Depends on the rest of the set up really. You'll notice it more on a well set up car, but on a normal car with lowering g springs or cheap coilovers on the roads I doubt you'd notice it at all

That's a bit of an elitist thing to say fella...

Regardless of lowered suspension, you can still set the geometry, top spec models are no different to base spec in so far as toe is adjustable at the front and fixed at the rear.

And you'd definitely notice the difference in toe regardless of model, we've all driven cars with TRE's that haven't been set up and the handling's horrible. Same at the rear, the increased toe makes the back end feel much more planted at higher speeds, if you can get your base spec model to those high speeds then the toe will benefit you there too.

[Ed Doe]

That's a bit of an elitist thing to say fella...

Regardless of lowered suspension, you can still set the geometry, top spec models are no different to base spec in so far as toe is adjustable at the front and fixed at the rear.

And you'd definitely notice the difference in toe regardless of model, we've all driven cars with TRE's that haven't been set up and the handling's horrible. Same at the rear, the increased toe makes the back end feel much more planted at higher speeds, if you can get your base spec model to those high speeds then the toe will benefit you there too.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound elitist at all!! All I meant was in terms of how taut the front end is, with less roll and flex as the front suspension loads, you can explore how the back end reacts a lot more easily. Therefore you will notice differences in now twitchy/planted the rear is dependant on the difference in the toe and camber! I'll get back in my box then...