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engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 06-01-2013
I have searched till my fingers have gone numb....
I cannot find a defo KG weight for the 1.9, lump bare.
And even less info on the possible weight of the 2.1 lump.
I have assumed it be heavier...but then some may assume the GTi engine is lighter, yet we all know it isnt.
I need to know weight differences to help in calculating the right LBs spring rate for the coilovers...
any help appreciated
Piggy
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Dum-Dum - 06-01-2013
The 2.1 is heavier by 10-20kg at a guess, maybe even more.
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 06-01-2013
I know it sounds OCd...but I have OCD my wife and friends tell me...so really want to know!
I have a old set of scales...so could weigh the 2.1 but would like to know the weight of the 1.9??!
So...
a 406 hatchback 1.9 LX Td weighs 1335kg....
a 406 hatchback 2.1 LX Td wieghs 1415kg...
thats a mighty 80kg, yes EIGHTY kgs heavier......but to factor in that the gearbox and flywheel from a 2.1 is heavier too....
any thoughts on how much heavier the 2.1 gearbox/flywheel would be than a 1.9???
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Dum-Dum - 06-01-2013
^^^ Could be thicker shafts, stronger springs and shocks, bigger brakes, bigger wheels, thicker ARBs and TBs etc all adding up to that weight.
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 06-01-2013
hmmmm....that dont help a huge amount then...it was a good try in my eyes when I first thought of it
PS anyone know what the standard coilover spring Lbs is? (for a 1.9td?)
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - 2.1 dturbo - 06-01-2013
I had 350's in but have 325's in now and prefer the 325's
But I'm on 406 box shafts as well
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 06-01-2013
interesting....thats good info...
I dont want to go too hard...Im not building a track toy....
got some real soft 180s for when it snows...
but I was thinking 275 for rest of year by some quick calculus...
how hard is the 325 ride?? what setup have you got on the rear?!
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - 2.1 dturbo - 06-01-2013
It's firm but not bouncy, the 350 were a bit bouncy.
Koni adjustables shocks all round, homemade coilys in the front.
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Dum-Dum - 06-01-2013
Theres a whole thread on coilover spring rates here
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-1270.html?highlight=coilover+spring+rates
GAZ ones are 325 standard, cheap ebay ones are about 200 standard
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 06-01-2013
thanks dum dum...I did search but nothing came up?!?!?
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - strictly_perv - 06-01-2013
Theres a thread over on 205gtidrivers with engine weights, think it's called difinative weights thread. Think the 1.9 is 140kgs.
EDIT Weights thread
1.9- 140kgs
2.1- 171kgs!!
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - ozonehostile - 06-01-2013
ive got a large crate full of different coilover springs, no idea what the spring rates are though, but i imagene some of them are quite hefty as they all come from various rally cars, everything from gravel to tarmac setups. is there a way of identifying spring rates?
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 07-01-2013
thanks strictly....you're a star...repping you for that
the spring should have on it somewhere a number....but if its old and bashed about you may have no luck...
you can start by measuring its size...Inner D and length but the important Lb'age would need a special machine for checking
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Dum-Dum - 07-01-2013
(06-01-2013, 10:57 PM)strictly_derv Wrote: Theres a thread over on 205gtidrivers with engine weights, think it's called difinative weights thread. Think the 1.9 is 140kgs.
EDIT Weights thread
1.9- 140kgs
2.1- 171kgs!!
That would explain why I struggled to lift a 2.1.
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - Piggy - 07-01-2013
with your little finger...yeah I imagine so!! haha
RE: engine weights...1.9/2.1 - ozonehostile - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 07:45 AM)Piggy1987 Wrote: the spring should have on it somewhere a number....but if its old and bashed about you may have no luck...
you can start by measuring its size...Inner D and length but the important Lb'age would need a special machine for checking
ah cool, most of them are almost brand new, im sure some of them are brand new. il have a rummage through and see whats there
