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new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
might be doing a conversion later on in the year if funds permit. ive had a look into some prices on engines and they dont seem as expensive as what i thourght.
my engine as it stands is a 1.6 8v.
my question to you all is what engine would you put in and why.
the obvious one is a 6 just for power gains avalible but relyability is also an issue.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - ash23 - 01-01-2013
Have you thought about a 1.6 16v out the 106 them engines are dead cheap now and lots of the 8v 106 boys do the conversion so plenty of stuff / info out there. Just a thought though
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
thats exactly what i had in mind ash. my mate had a cammed 16v 106 and it sounded awsome.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
2.1 12v turbo diesel?! go for the derv win
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Toms306 - 01-01-2013
1.8 16v.....not as heavy as the 6, more revvy too. I'd have one straight away if they didn't drink so much!
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 09:21 AM)Piggy1987 Wrote: 2.1 12v turbo diesel?! go for the derv win
how much work would be involed to do this? the 16v conversion is looking like the best option at the mo. simple and cheap.
(01-01-2013, 09:22 AM)Toms306 Wrote: 1.8 16v.....not as heavy as the 6, more revvy too. I'd have one straight away if they didn't drink so much!
not much differance in the 1.6/1.8 is their?
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
fair bit of work...new tank and lines for a start...wouldnt know RE clocks and inside but new engine loom, whole engine, gearbox and shafts etc....big job.
on a more helpful note...the '6s are heavy but readily available.
16v 1.6 goes well but does lack torque....
me....rebuild the 1.6 8v, toughened rods, xflow head, and...boost
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 09:30 AM)Piggy1987 Wrote: fair bit of work...new tank and lines for a start...wouldnt know RE clocks and inside but new engine loom, whole engine, gearbox and shafts etc....big job.
on a more helpful note...the '6s are heavy but readily available.
16v 1.6 goes well but does lack torque....
me....rebuild the 1.6 8v, toughened rods, xflow head, and...boost
thats expensive^^. looks like a derv conversion is out the question aswell.
would this be a straight swop?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-1-6-16V-Petrol-NFU-Engine-/330809697659?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d05cb657b
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
you be surprised.
bet you could find a decent block to work on, theres zillions of 1.6 8vs out there...lots of people have turbo'd them so thats food info and parts.. start looking for turbo manifolds and little bits.
you be surprised how much funds you would need for a 16v conversion. and they not that reliable. constant chase for oil leaks
or just rebuild the lump you have. you wouldnt HAVE to go toughened rods if you werent going with stupid boost.
0.8bar from a gt1749...saab turbo, cheap and easy to get, with the right compression ratio, use a metal layer uprated headgasket to do that....and wumph....you be flying
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
16v conversion is under £500. i have had a look into a turbo and that came out about £1500. no brainer mate.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - 306carter - 01-01-2013
RickyP and FrenchSportTuning do VTS conversions for around £800 all in drop the car off pick it up couple if days later. That includes engine, box, labour a service ect.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 09:44 AM)306carter Wrote: RickyP and FrenchSportTuning do VTS conversions for around £800 all in drop the car off pick it up couple if days later. That includes engine, box, labour a service ect.
see, thats what i mean, nice, simple and cheap. i havnt got the brains i was born with so would have to get someone to do it for me.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
^^^^ thats a good price. (16v convert)
but you could buy a gti6 for that!!
£1500 for a turbo conversion?? I assume thats all brand new parts and a garage doing it???
but the fun, joy and pride comes from doing it yourself.
anyone can throw money at a garage and come out with a faster car
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Birk - 01-01-2013
£1500 for a turbo conversion, show me the way? Lol I've spent 5x as much as that and it's still not running haha
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
^^^^ aye but theres aiming a gazzillion torques and 1000bhp or just a bit more umph and reliability
item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=160945995309&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=06623449552
job done
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - 306carter - 01-01-2013
But then as said £800~ can buy a GTi6. They VTS engine is 120bhp. De-cat, good exhaust, good air filter should see 140~ but I guarantee you'll crave more power.
Personally I'd buy a 6 and sell the 1.6 on.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Toms306 - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 10:03 AM)306carter Wrote: ....but I guarantee you'll crave more power.
Isn't this always the case though, regardless of how much power you have*? Unless it's just me.
*In cars we can afford, I'm not talkng about the Veyron or the Atom lol.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
RsP would disagree...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOOKcgs9cbs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
plus if you buy a gti6...you wont need to buy clones...save!!!
and this veyron owner may be thinking he wants more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoEJR3mRTek&feature=youtube_gdata_player
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - sam - 01-01-2013
Jp4 from a 106 gti and on bodies
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Birk - 01-01-2013
Engine conversions are a waste of money unless you are going to gain alot, it's just not worth it.
I will just reiterate what everyone else has said, gti6 can be had for less than 1k now, more if you want a minty ph3. I would do that, then spend the money modifying that.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Pete - 01-01-2013
V6
Can pick up a Coupe donor car for dirt cheap these days, Break it and hey presto, free engine!
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-406-3-0-V6-Manual-Coupe-/380544114574
bargain....gets me thinking....once done the 2.1 I need a project.... mid engine v6 306??
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 10:42 AM)Birk Wrote: Engine conversions are a waste of money unless you are going to gain alot, it's just not worth it.
I will just reiterate what everyone else has said, gti6 can be had for less than 1k now, more if you want a minty ph3. I would do that, then spend the money modifying that.
i aint got 1k. easier to raise £250 for a 16v and get my mate to drop it in. ans as said, decat,straight through and induction should see about 135 bhp. then maybe bodies at a later date when money permits.
or i could just save for a 6 lol
(01-01-2013, 11:12 AM)Piggy1987 Wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-406-3-0-V6-Manual-Coupe-/380544114574
bargain....gets me thinking....once done the 2.1 I need a project.... mid engine v6 306??
had one and i only paid £420 for mine.
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - puglove - 01-01-2013
As i said at trax kingy , get a 1.6 16v in there, i think it would be pretty epic, very revy engine, it would be different, and still retain the 1.6ness that yours was born with, plus its the easyest option IMO
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
save for a '6.
a modded 1.6 306 will cost more to insure than a '6 too I bet
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - puglove - 01-01-2013
Not when your an old man like kingy it dont lol
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - 306carter - 01-01-2013
(01-01-2013, 10:38 AM)sam Wrote: Jp4 from a 106 gti and on bodies
JP4 Head's from a c2 aint it?
How about a 1.3 8v rallye engine 100bhp standard 8000rpm limiter. Few choice mods and it would be as quick as a 1.6 16v
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Dum-Dum - 01-01-2013
Clearly what you want is a mid mounted cummins 6BT
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - Piggy - 01-01-2013
chronic bank balance alert
RE: new engine. which would you choose and why? - kingy - 01-01-2013
It's looking like a 16v then. Will I have to change the loom?