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Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
Has anyone done one of these? Using a xsara vts rack either phase one or two.
I know the phase two one is 2.6 lock to lock and the phase one is 2.2 lock to lock.
I am just interested in what difficulties people came across, I have looked on the 6 forum, and some people say its a straight swap and others say its not. depending on the phases of the 6.
My problem is I dont own a 6, my car in theory is a phase 1 car, but even when I bought it was a mix of phase 1 and 2 parts.
Any clues will be great.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Connor - 29-04-2012
It really depends how the power steering pipes connect to the rack, some screw in and some are clamped in. Don't know if the 306/xsara varied its connections, but i remember doing a partner van once (so basically a 306) and this was the case
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
Yea I have seen some vary on the connection side of things. I want to get everything before we start as most places close early on a saturday.
Steering Rack Conversion - Matt - 29-04-2012
Why would you want too? Is there any benefit from it?
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
Less turns lock to lock = win
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - mark_airey - 29-04-2012
^^ this, quick steering racks are awesome!
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
Have you or Darren done one mark? Or are you speaking from a experience based on other cars with them?
I drove a 6 and the have a terrible turning circle and so many turns lock to lock.
Steering Rack Conversion - Matt - 29-04-2012
Ahhh fair enough, tbh I didn't even think about turns to lock lol. Good idea though
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - ginge191 - 29-04-2012
i get my arm exercise from steering a pug, reducing this would just give me bingo-wings :|
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Connor - 29-04-2012
I would say you need the rack first, then new lines if the connections are different
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
I have just bought a smaller steering wheel and thought it would go well with a quick rack
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Jonny81191 - 29-04-2012
it will make the steering heavier though.. potentially less control on bumpy back roads.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
Jonny81191 Wrote:it will make the steering heavier though..
Man up?
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Ed Doe - 29-04-2012
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=99460
Sounds like a lovely job.....
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
Meh changing the rack dosnt take long at all tbh, just case of popping hoses off / tre's and dropping the subframe, and by sounds of it provided you just keep your exsisting gti6 ram, there wont be any hose / bumpstop issues...
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Atterz - 29-04-2012
But Mark should be alrite as he should only have 5 gears
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Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Scott - 29-04-2012
Pompey306mark Wrote:I drove a 6 and the have a terrible turning circle and so many turns lock to lock.This wouldn't change the turning circle of a 6 though...
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Atterz - 29-04-2012
Make sure the handbrake works and you quite easily solve the lack of a right hand lock
. And no as Scott said it wont change how much lock you achieve, just how quickly it gets there.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Jonny81191 - 29-04-2012
darrenjlobb Wrote:Jonny81191 Wrote:it will make the steering heavier though..
Man up?
Yeah I know lol, all I was saying is that if you fit a smaller steering wheel, reducing the leverage you have, then fit a faster steering rack, you're less likely to be able to hang onto the wheel when hooning on back roads.
Obviously I don't know how much heavier the steering will be, it might not make that much difference...
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
Wont be bad at all tbh, I personally like a firm steering feel anyways. non pas ftw in terms of driving feel.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - HDIkyle - 29-04-2012
I did a swap from a 1.8 to a gti6 rack and it was a straight swap for mine. Shocking lock however on right handers i used to have to do a 3 point turn when crossing the middle of a duel carriageway where my grandma lives
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
I know it wont change the turning circle, I was just commenting on how bad it was.
But it will change the number of turns lock to lock.
I have spoken to a few people with smaller steering wheels and they have said it made it more responsive and a bit easier.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - lewisdmz - 29-04-2012
How noticeable would .4 really be?
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Pompey306mark - 29-04-2012
Seems most of the 6 members who have done it have found it good and noticable.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Atterz - 29-04-2012
Its massive. Honestly!
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
I can see it being a nice upgrade myself....
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
You can get those steering columb gearbox things also, which gear up the input speed, to make for chronic short turn area, drifting win.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Atterz - 29-04-2012
O and for anybody fitting a 6 rack to a derv, change the bloody ram over to a Derv on because you dont have a 6 speed box so dont need the shortened right hand lock to stop the wheel hitting the gearbox.
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - darrenjlobb - 29-04-2012
Isnt it just a bump stop on the steering ram anyway?
Re: Steering Rack Conversion - Atterz - 29-04-2012
Im not 100% sure mate have never had one off i will be honest! I just know that somthing in the ram stops it. And if you put a xsara rack on a 6 you swap the ram onto it!
I was talking to a guy that runs a 205 rally car and he said if he did it all again he would get a non-pas rack and buy the pinion from quaife and then install a column assisted power steering system as employed on a lot of modern cars!