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Thinking out loud about mtdi - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
so I've got my insurance coming up in April that will mean time to play with my engine. Sort of. I don't trust the xud9 for reliable lots of power. Mainly due to the rod chucking scenario. I want a 2.1 which is great but I cant find one. Which suck. Now the sheer fact of the matter is this is slowly but surely putting me off them as parts will obviously be harder to find. This leaves me with two options in my head. Buy a hdi and tune that. Which isn't happening or buy a hdi engine for mine and mtdi it then tune it. Only thing that has me worried about this is injectors. Any ideas on injectors. Any ideas on any other engine I've glanced over maybe. My aim is a bullet proof 170/200 bhp motor that I can use daily with no issues on getting parts should it go wrong.
Also cant really afford the xud9 forged rods.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - lolsteve - 05-02-2015
Ask Darrenjlobb (?) wasn't his HDi twin turbo thing mechanical injection?
Why not just fit HDi rods?
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Seb_Ryan - 05-02-2015
Also a veryyy big difference between 170 and 200..not many have made 200 lol
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
170 is a base figure to start as that's roughly what the standard clutch will hold. 200 is the aim in the long run. Sorry I should've explained that a bit better.
His was a mechanical injection yes. But not to much was ever given away.
Hdi rods are not bullet proof. They break as well.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Piggy - 05-02-2015
Just get a 2.1 in there with a GT20/22.
Run 1.9 aux setup.
1.9 arp heabolts.
Sorted
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Toms306 - 05-02-2015
I really don't think you'll see a reliable daily from a 200bhp modded 90's diesel!
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
What was wrong with that 2.1 on facebook the other day?
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
He refuses point blank to even load it onto a pallet for me to get it couriered. Just doesn't want to know.
Also piggy that was the plan. Even got the gt2259 ready and all the bits I need bar the 2.1!!
(05-02-2015, 08:05 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I really don't think you'll see a reliable daily from a 200bhp modded 90's diesel!
You can get reliability with the right setup and work.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Toms306 - 05-02-2015
I haven't managed reliable with any modded diesel with just 130-180bhp!
Money is the main reason though, could've easily chucked more money at them to make them reliable really. And at least you've got a decent work space to do stuff.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
Yeah having the big workshop at my disposal is something I have to thank my boss for. Id be lost without it sometimes
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
Well drive up there and pick it up!!!!!! It'll go in the boot no trouble unless you have a sedan and it's a very good price.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
I havnt got time sadly
it would take me 10 hours there and back no traffic. I have an estate and the xud9 only just fitted in it.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - 306Dan - 05-02-2015
out of intrest wheres the one on faceache?
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
Shropshire. Its only a 5 hour drive there and back. I stand corrected. Hoping to find one local to me I a scrappy really.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 08:47 PM)bashbarnard Wrote: I havnt got time sadly
Don't be a pansy, you get days off don't you and I got a 2.2 and my big jack and wheels and other bits in the back of my estate so MTFU
Edit: if its only a 5 hour trip you can do it before or after work. Even if you find one nearby you can bet it will be more expensive and youll have to take it out the car yourself.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - 306Dan - 05-02-2015
Is there no one local that will pick it up and pallet it for you? if it was closer id do it
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Poodle - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 08:19 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I haven't managed reliable with any modded diesel with just 130-180bhp!
Money is the main reason though, could've easily chucked more money at them to make them reliable really. And at least you've got a decent work space to do stuff.
You might want to check the pronunciation on that, but i think you'll find it's actually spelt "patience and perseverance".
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
^^that is true^^ I get ridiculed at work for my Peugeot stuff. My boss told me when I started running veg I wouldn't make it to the roundabout. I've done 10,000 miles. Its all the little bits that add up to make things reliable. Generally not the big money things.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
Wait, Tom where are you? Bury St Edumunds isn't it?
It's a 400-450 mile round trip and an 8 hour day for me to go and pick it up for you. If you pay for the Rangers upcoming road tax and all the fuel I'll go and pick it up for you and drop it to your door if it'll stop you being a pansy.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
That's a lot of money. I havnt got chance to pick it up within the next 3 weeks I reckon. Some things take priority at the moment. Its not the end of the world I still have another two months to find one if this dude won't courier it.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Piggy - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 08:05 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I really don't think you'll see a reliable daily from a 200bhp modded 90's diesel!
other than me being a dufus with the oil cooler and not fitting ARPs in the first place...
Mine is fine. 208 whp
Be even more reliable if i sacked off this iritating arduino mess!
I use it daily. Happily tows trailer for work
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
2.1 FTW then. which is why it was my original plan. just without the vnt
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
Yeah look at what my old 2.1 ran in kyles car without the VNT being anywhere near its optimum set up. 180bhp and its just a 9mm pump on a standard 2.1 with a bigger turbo (that was bought solely because it was cheap) welded on the side.
As for me getting it yes its expensive but it solves your problem. I don't reckon anyone will buy that engine off brett if he wont even put it on a pallet so you may well haggle him down to £50.
If not I got mine off ebay.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 05-02-2015
well im keeping an eye out. spoke to brett and it seems he cant get hold of a pallet but if i could get a courier to go over and pick it up might be viable. we shall see. im sure another will pop up. ill get my local scrappys to keep an eye out.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 05-02-2015
Anyone who cant get hold of a pallet is a veritable fuckwit.
Any industrial estate, builders merchant, warehouse, farm or whatever will have them laying about and half the time people will give the crap ones away as if you only have a few they are a pain in the arse to get rid of.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - bashbarnard - 06-02-2015
Tell me about it. I've also got access to 3 hdi engines cheap as well. Looks like plans are gonna change.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Dum-Dum - 06-02-2015
The HDi could be a PITA with getting the ECU unlocked, running wiring for the lift pump, swapping clocks and at least some of the loom plus possibly the rad too.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Toms306 - 06-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 09:01 PM)Poodle Wrote:(05-02-2015, 08:19 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I haven't managed reliable with any modded diesel with just 130-180bhp!
Money is the main reason though, could've easily chucked more money at them to make them reliable really. And at least you've got a decent work space to do stuff.
You might want to check the pronunciation on that, but i think you'll find it's actually spelt "patience and perseverance".
Not really. Golf would've cost far too much to make reliable, it died because I did it on a budget. And the HDis just fall apart when used daily, clutch, cat, beam, turbo, rust etc killed off the estate workhorse, sure I could've spent its value to make it reliable, but there's no justifying that for me lol.
(05-02-2015, 09:19 PM)Piggy Wrote:(05-02-2015, 08:05 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I really don't think you'll see a reliable daily from a 200bhp modded 90's diesel!
other than me being a dufus with the oil cooler and not fitting ARPs in the first place...
Mine is fine. 208 whp
Be even more reliable if i sacked off this iritating arduino mess!
I use it daily. Happily tows trailer for work
Doesn't the clutch slip? And how much have you spent on all the uprated parts etc? More than its value probably... Also I don't call shitting oil and headgaskets reliable, whether your fault or not.
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - procta - 06-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 08:05 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I really don't think you'll see a reliable daily from a 200bhp modded 90's diesel!
tom I think you may find you get more reliability out of a 90s diesel compared to the modern shite tbh, Sensors for sensors for sensors that have f*ck all to do with the engine?
As for the 200 bhp part, as long as it done properly and the engine is sound, then there shouldn't be any trouble at all.
Its when you start bodging and cutting corners, that's when things start to go wrong!
RE: Thinking out loud about diesel engine conversion - Toms306 - 06-02-2015
Done properly costs money though, forged rods, updated head studs, oil cooler, bigger rad, updated clutch etc.
Sensors aren't as bad as people think, there's only about 3 that will cause a breakdown. Theyre the easiest part to diagnose as well lol. But I wouldn't mod a newer diesel on a budget now either.