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+--- Thread: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? (/showthread.php?tid=27909)
XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 23-11-2014
Hi all, I bought a 5 Door PH3 straight diesel a few days ago for £280 to replace my d-turbo (RIP)
It was really cheap (280 quid with MOT to end of June) and, being a straight diesel, isn't very fast. I was just wondering if I would be able to swap the XUD9TE into it. I know that it'll fit on the same mounts but this car has an ECU which is throwing me off a bit, especially since i didn't think any mechanical diesel 306 had an ECU.
How would I go about making all this work? I don't even know where to begin so thought i'd ask all the Gurus on here. The shell of this car is fantastic and the axle is really tight and i love everything about the car apart from the way it goes. I also can't afford to buy another D-Turbo so please don't suggest doing that.
Many thanks!
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Toms306 - 23-11-2014
Yeah the ph3s NADs do have an ECU.
But you don't need it if you're chucking the DT engine in...it's just the same as a HDi>XUD swap which has been done a few times now...
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 23-11-2014
Brilliant news! Thank you so much! I absolutely adore this car and i think it looks great, I just want more power. Looks like me and my mates will be getting the engine crane out again, lol
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - londondan86 - 23-11-2014
Think it's all just a straight swap, just double check that you don't need the ecu left in anywhere for the remote central locking or anything. Other than that as long as you have the donor there all should be plug and play
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Toms306 - 23-11-2014
For the central locking you only need the BSI box under the dash.
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 23-11-2014
Thanks for the help. I had a look around forums and it seems that I need the D-Turbo wiring loom which will plug into the n/s chassis leg plugs and thats about it. So hopefully this goes well, I will start looking for an engine. I need boost again
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - londondan86 - 23-11-2014
(23-11-2014, 03:52 PM)Toms306 Wrote: For the central locking you only need the BSI box under the dash.
Fair doo's mate. Wasn't sure if it needed to communicate with the ecu at all
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 23-11-2014
My central locking doesn't work anyway so I wouldn't have been loosing anything, haha
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Ruan - 24-11-2014
Just use a Ph2 (1997-1999) XUD9TE wiring loom - it plugs straight in.
Only thing you'll need to change is the dashboard clocks - they work off a different type of RPM signal that the ECU provides from a different type of flywheel sensor.
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - zx_volcane - 24-11-2014
have done one on these, drops in pretty easily, think left ecu in and just wired in a switched live from the ignition for the stop solenoid on the pump.
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 24-11-2014
Always good to have someone who has done it
What wiring loom did you use? Was it the one in it or a d-turbo one? Also, did you use d-turbo clocks to make the rev counter work?
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - bashbarnard - 24-11-2014
I do belive the woring loom from the xud is just plus and play. So unplug the loom from the xud at the wing and just plug it straight into the new motor. Also you will need the xud clocks to get the rev counter to work.
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - zx_volcane - 24-11-2014
didn't change the loom out at all, used existing + finding an ignition switched +ve for the fuel pump solenoid
left it without a working rev counter too :/
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 24-11-2014
I'm not too worried about the rev counter anyway. Thank you so much for your help!
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Piggy - 24-11-2014
Ph2 1.9 xud turbo clocks are straight swap too and with the loom from same will give you all working
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - AdamInNi - 24-11-2014
So if i swap just the ph2 clocks and use the ph3 loom it'll work? Or will I have to use the ph2 loom to make the clocks work? Just trying to make this job as simple as possible, lol
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - londondan86 - 24-11-2014
If I were doing it and based on what has been said above. I would get a d turbo engine, ph2 loom and ph2 clocks and fit the lot all in one hit so it all works.
May need the exhaust too, not sure but I assume the down pipe will be different
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Toms306 - 24-11-2014
Yup, engine, engine loom and clocks all from the donor ph2 (I say ph2 because they've all rotted out the ear arch and are worthless now lol).
The cat pipe is also different as Dan says, but you'd probably want a decat anyway.
Re: RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - bashbarnard - 24-11-2014
(24-11-2014, 08:09 PM)londondan86 Wrote: If I were doing it and based on what has been said above. I would get a d turbo engine, ph2 loom and ph2 clocks and fit the lot all in one hit so it all works.I have all of these. I should really buy a hdi and convert it.
May need the exhaust too, not sure but I assume the down pipe will be different
Also my phase 2 has no rot in rear arch...
Now...
After lots of welding...
And swearing....
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Toms306 - 24-11-2014
Lol, its surprising how much can be fixed by swearing.
RE: XUD9TE into straight diesel PH3? - Ruan - 25-11-2014
(24-11-2014, 08:11 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Yup, engine, engine loom and clocks all from the donor ph2 (I say ph2 because they've all rotted out the ear arch and are worthless now lol).
This exactly.