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Loss of Power - daveygravey - 28-10-2014
Hi,
My 306 has been running well for some years but over the last few days it's been experiencing the following symptoms:
Car Spec
306 2.0 HDI
125BHP Remap
160,000 miles
Symptoms
1. Last week I started the car and it made a graunching noise (like the starter motor).
Hasn't done it since and could be unrelated but since then:
2. The car feel sluggish until it gets to about 2500RPM - I need to drop a gear to make it go.
3. After 2500RPM it's better but not what it used to be and it's getting worse (i.e. less power) and is a bit dangerous when overtaking!
Observations
Engine starts and runs fine, no special noises
No engine lights (until I unplugged the MAF - see below)
I'm not seeing any smoke (although I always got a black smoke under full throttle)
While revving it hard in the car park I did see some gas/fumes come up the rear of the engine?
I've tried unplugging the MAF and it made the performance even worse (so I'm assuming this is OK)
Any help/suggestions appreciated.
Cheers,
Dave
RE: Loss of Power - Toms306 - 28-10-2014
Sounds like the EGR valve may be stuck open. I assume it hasn't been blanked off?
RE: Loss of Power - powerandtorque - 28-10-2014
Given that you mention seeing fumes from behind the engine when revving it, could be that you've got a sizeable boost leak - would explain the lack of power and later spool too.
Usual culprits are the gasket between the inlet and elbow, and the boost pipe coming off the turbo.
RE: Loss of Power - daveygravey - 28-10-2014
(28-10-2014, 10:34 AM)Toms306 Wrote: Sounds like the EGR valve may be stuck open. I assume it hasn't been blanked off?
No it's not been blanked off - is that a recommended mod?
If it is stuck, any advice on how to free it up?
Dave
(28-10-2014, 11:18 AM)powerandtorque Wrote: Given that you mention seeing fumes from behind the engine when revving it, could be that you've got a sizeable boost leak - would explain the lack of power and later spool too.
Usual culprits are the gasket between the inlet and elbow, and the boost pipe coming off the turbo.
Thanks - do you know of any decent diagrams that show the turbo pipes/fittings?
RE: Loss of Power - Toms306 - 28-10-2014
Don't bother trying to free the EGR, just blank it tbh.
If you had a big boost leak, there wouldn't be much power at the top end. Could be a small boost leak though, most have them these days. The inlet elbow is on the right hand side on top behind the engine, you should be able to see oil around the join there. As for the boost pipes, there is only one, its black plastic and hidden deep behind the engine, there is a silicone joiner each end of the plastic pipe, and they can leak.
RE: Loss of Power - daveygravey - 29-10-2014
Thanks - sounds like I need to get it into the garage and take a closer look. I'll let you know how I get on.
RE: Loss of Power - LewisG - 29-10-2014
My hdi has smoke coming up from the back of the engine too!
RE: Loss of Power - 306clot - 29-10-2014
hi, as said this could be a sign of a small boost leak, the inlet elbow is defiantly a good place to start i could mine was leaking by running a bead of washing up liquid over the join while running then give it a burst of throttle while looking at the joint and if it leaks will bubble. i have had to seal mine twice now as it was leaking when i got it and the silicone i used the second time was shit this time u#i have used proper gasket sealant had has held fine (proved with boost gauge)
doing the egr at the same time i would personalty recommend and cleaning the elbow to get rid of allot of shit that the egr kicks out you can buy a blank or just make it your self out of a bit of sheet metal.
if you are concerned about it possible being a boost issue then as the elbow is off drill and tap a out let and add a gauge, you can always be sure then its right boost level.
even tho the car drives worse without the MAF connected it still doesn't rule it out completely could still be faulty just less likely.
i cant comment on the smoke as that's not a problem i have had but many have said it could be a sign of a egr problem.
hope this helps Jake
RE: Loss of Power - LewisG - 29-10-2014
I done the inlet leak on mine a few weeks ago