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d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Donkeybubles - 23-09-2014
Could people list the pros and cons of these car iv had a stage 2 hdi 306 and it was a amazing little rocket and as my previous post says i will be looking at geting one soon?
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Tom - 23-09-2014
Different cars altogether really, obviously the diesels are similar but a '6 is a whole different drive, great fun but i struggled to drive it sensibly done 90quid of fuel in a week. Reasonably quick car though. Would be the diesels everytime for me though. End of the day you need to make up your own mind.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Donkeybubles - 23-09-2014
Yeah thinking about a stage 3 hdi as i dobt have to drive to much as will have a company van next month and im driving a audi a3 1.8t at the moment wich is doing 22 mpg wich is rubbish haha
d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Razorback_Rob - 23-09-2014
A 6 would always be my choice over a diesel. But the diesel returns the miles per gallon. The 6 provides the smiles per gallon. Really the 6 is the ultimate 306 though. Top everything. An hdi DTurbo is gti-6 suspension setup with a Diesel engine so if you get one of those. Pop '6 brakes on and do a stage 3 would be the ultimate diesel 306. If you have your daily sorted with the company van you're sorted. A 6 is the ultimate smile on your face car.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Donkeybubles - 23-09-2014
Decisions
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - toseland - 24-09-2014
(23-09-2014, 08:21 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote: A 6 would always be my choice over a diesel. But the diesel returns the miles per gallon. The 6 provides the smiles per gallon. Really the 6 is the ultimate 306 though. Top everything. An hdi DTurbo is gti-6 suspension setup with a Diesel engine so if you get one of those. Pop '6 brakes on and do a stage 3 would be the ultimate diesel 306. If you have your daily sorted with the company van you're sorted. A 6 is the ultimate smile on your face car.
what i am doing... =D
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Matt-Rallye - 25-09-2014
(23-09-2014, 08:21 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote: A 6 would always be my choice over a diesel. But the diesel returns the miles per gallon. The 6 provides the smiles per gallon. Really the RALLYE is the ultimate 306 though. Top everything. An hdi DTurbo is gti-6 suspension setup with a Diesel engine so if you get one of those. Pop '6 brakes on and do a stage 3 would be the ultimate diesel 306. If you have your daily sorted with the company van you're sorted. A 6 is the ultimate smile on your face car.
EFA
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - maxlee - 25-09-2014
IMO
D-turbo down sides nill
hdi down sides to much electrical bollox
GTI6 down sides its not a diesel
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Matt-Rallye - 25-09-2014
XUD downsides - crap engine purely by design. throws rods, runs hot, have too change most major engine components too actually get any decent gains from it...
HDi downsides - Great for economy / daily driving, Shit for performance.
GTi6 / Rallye downsides - Low MPG, High running costs.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Eeyore - 25-09-2014
if you have a diesel then youll save money on fuel... which is more money to spend on the car!
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Toms306 - 25-09-2014
Rallye downsides....you have to wind down the windows!!
And don't get any leather. GTI6 downsides - Fuel, insurance, cambelt intervals
HDi downsides - Slow as standard (slight improvement stage 1), crank pulleys, lift pumps. Despite the extra sensors/electronics, they don't fail nearly as often as people make out!!
XUD downsides - Poor cooling leading to headgasket issues, blowing rods, slow as standard, worse mpg than hdi (but can run veg with a Bosch)
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ginge191 - 25-09-2014
After owning all three, my piece.
GTI6 - Is super fun to drive, amazing as a base for handling modifications and personally, is something i'd take pride in detailing as opposed to spending money on engine/power mods as it can get pricy and quite technical and time consuming
XUD - Is relatively cheap and easy to modify and again is amazing to drive with a decent turbo. Down side is that most DT's don't tend to be that visually appealing and is a diesel which can be an off putter to some
Hdi - Never modified but a decent compromise between a GTi and DT. Dturbo specs have GTi suspension setups and modification to stage 1 can be relatively simple.
d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Razorback_Rob - 25-09-2014
All in all mate. If you want a drivers car. Get a 6. If you have to compromise for mpg get an hdi. HDi can still be fun but requires extra work and money poured in and will never really match up to a 6.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ozonehostile - 25-09-2014
I've had all three, for me the gti6 wins hands down. They're not even that bad on fuel if you can resist driving enthusiastically (which I never cian haha)
Gti6 is a quick car even totally standard, holds up very well against alot of more powerful modern cars, spend some money on decent suspension and tyres and it'll never fail to put a smile on your face
One of the last proper hot hatches imo
Xud are fun enough, and given the right turbo and supporting mods will do a similar 40-70 time to a 6,but then gets left behind whilst cooking itself to death..
Hdi can be a good laugh, far more reliable than an xud from personal experience with only a few basic changes to get decent gains but at the end of the day it's still a van engine, not a performance machine
Gti6 ftmfw
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ally406 - 25-09-2014
I'm a huge XUD fan, but as you mention you aren't doing many miles and you have a works van, the obvious answer is get a 6. Keep the 6 standard, maybe refresh suspension components and do some general restoration type work. You will likely find it will increase in value during your ownership. Buy an XUD/HDI and you could spend huge amounts wringing out more bhp, none of which you will get back at resale, so in reality the 6 is the cheaper car total cost of ownership wise, the most reliable and the better drive. If you want to take a car to a B road or track, a petrol has fundamental benefits that a diesel can never have, don't get too hung up on which has more bhp.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - powerandtorque - 25-09-2014
Only thing that I would say in addition to what's already been said is that in my experience the VAG 1.8T engines are normally pretty good on fuel - if you're only getting 22mpg from yours, you're likely to get worse from a GTi-6 driving it in the same manner (assuming the 1.8T isn't distinctly broken of course!)
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - cully - 25-09-2014
easy answer... buy both as i have
HDI for a daily and a Six for the weekend
if i were to drive the six daily i surley would have an empty wallet as in no money nor driving licence!
the hdi just does its job and is ideal for a daily
the six is another animal yes you can drive it around all dosile but its no fun untill you push that loud pedal past the 4500rpm mark then it grows large teeth and will bite you if you dont respect it
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - silverzx - 25-09-2014
Depends what you like doing..
Tinkering with turbos?
Coaling out people?
Listening to GTi6 Bwarp?
Filling it with veg with a smug smile?
The list goes on..
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Orta - 25-09-2014
Get a 6.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ginge191 - 25-09-2014
Buy my '6. Even better idea.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - eskimogod - 25-09-2014
had hdi and dturbos not had a 6 myself but had plenty of hot hatch petrols!
for me the dturbo wins but thats because i enjoy the building of cars just as much as driving them and if i want to go really fast hoon id always take the bike
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ADV_93 - 25-09-2014
6's make the most phenomenal noise for a 16v engine
Re: RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - kentiiboii - 25-09-2014
(25-09-2014, 04:01 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: 6's make the most phenomenal noise for a 16v engine
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - RetroPug - 25-09-2014
(25-09-2014, 08:19 AM)Matt-Rallye Wrote:Fixed again.(23-09-2014, 08:21 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote: A 6 would always be my choice over a diesel. But the diesel returns the miles per gallon. The 6 provides the smiles per gallon. Really the Phase win gti-6 is the ultimate 306 though. Top everything. An hdi DTurbo is gti-6 suspension setup with a Diesel engine so if you get one of those. Pop '6 brakes on and do a stage 3 would be the ultimate diesel 306. If you have your daily sorted with the company van you're sorted. A 6 is the ultimate smile on your face car.
EFA
Re: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - kentiiboii - 25-09-2014
I've had all 3, although I never modified my xud, but they're great for veg.
Diesels I prefer hdi, mine was very reliable and great on fuel.
But my gti6 just puts smiles on my face much more than any car I've owned.
Only really ever drive my car now on a sunday as I walk to work, but when I do get to drive it I fall in love with it every time!
You have a daily work van, so buy a 6!
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Matt-Rallye - 26-09-2014
(25-09-2014, 04:01 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: 6's make the most phenomenal noise for a 16v engine
They do make a good noise but get a grp A scutle induction on a Mk1 clio 1.8 16v / Williams and it makes the '6 sound like a fart in a scaffold pipe.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Piggy - 26-09-2014
Shut up about thos crap clio's!!!!!111!!!
Anyway, I would say none of the above....you want a XUD11 306
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Matt-Rallye - 26-09-2014
(26-09-2014, 07:18 AM)Piggy Wrote: Shut up about thos crap clio's!!!!!111!!!
Anyway, I would say none of the above....you want a XUD11 306
Shut up about those crap XUD11 306's
Feel free to have a passenger ride in my Mk1 clio though.. guarantee it'll shock you.
RE: d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - ADV_93 - 26-09-2014
(26-09-2014, 06:50 AM)Matt-Rallye Wrote:(25-09-2014, 04:01 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: 6's make the most phenomenal noise for a 16v engine
They do make a good noise but get a grp A scutle induction on a Mk1 clio 1.8 16v / Williams and it makes the '6 sound like a fart in a scaffold pipe.
I have had the pleasure of hearing a Williams Clio (mk1) piped at full chat and they sound excellent! French 4 pot petrols are probably some of the best sounding about. Went out in a '6 for the first time a few weeks ago and was blown away by it! Epic cars!
d turbo/gti 6 or hdi 306 - Mole man - 26-09-2014
Iv had all 3 and if you want mpg then go for an hdi or hdi dturbo what I had for the handling, but personally I'd defiantly go for a 6! I love mine and never looked back on buying it! Couldn't justify using it everyday again but still not stupidly bad on mpg really, but as others have said it's a brilliant car for what it is and you will not never have a smile on your face while driving it! Especially for the price you can pick one up for now as well!!