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police - thebluepearl - 21-09-2014
So when did getting stopped for no seatbelt incur either a £100 fine or attendance to an awareness course??
I got caught out today leaving a fuel station no further than 200 yards up the road I realised I hadn't belted up as I was pulling my seatbelt on Mr kind police officer stepped out from side of the road and pulled me over to hand me a lovely Sunday morning wake up ticket, so be safe stay rich wear a seatbelt
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
Fines gone up recently.
Its simple. Click, clunk!
RE: police - Dum-Dum - 21-09-2014
So you were driving up the road without your seatbelt on and now your moaning? The law is black and white mate, it doesnt say its alright if only for a few hundred yards (unless your a delivery driver going less than a certain distance). Also If you can't see a uniformed police officer before he sees your not wearing a seat belt then your not paying enough attention to what's going on around you while your driving.
Anyway Its been months if not a year since the ticket prices went up. £30 ones went to £60 (IIRC) £60 ones went to £100 and no insurance went to £300.
It means that now the fine for driving at 80mph on the motorway is more than the fine for walking into a shop and stealing £200 worth of stuff. Ridiculous really.
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
And it saves your life so its worth going to the course
Be happy theres no points with that infringement of the law!
police - Razorback_Rob - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:32 PM)Piggy Wrote: And it saves your life so its worth going to the course
Be happy theres no points with that infringement of the law!
From what I read 3 points will be on seatbelt, tailgating, inconsiderate driving (pushing Infront, not looking when pulling out of junctions etc) as well as a fine soon.
RE: police - Toms306 - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:35 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote:(21-09-2014, 07:32 PM)Piggy Wrote: And it saves your life so its worth going to the course
Be happy theres no points with that infringement of the law!
From what I read 3 points will be on seatbelt, tailgating, inconsiderate driving (pushing Infront, not looking when pulling out of junctions etc) as well as a fine soon.
In that case there'll be very few people left on the roads!!
The amount of people that cant wait at giveway lines really does my head in tbh, it's not difficult.
RE: police - thebluepearl - 21-09-2014
Nah not moaning about being caught that was a fair cop just moaning about the cost, to be fair Mr policeman was the most pleasant friendly officer I've come across in 12 years of motoring, and as for not seeing him he was down an embankment at the side of the road with no hi viz he popped up as I was pulling it on he did explain that he saw me putting it on and even though I was attempting it he had seen me do it so had to do something as for points he said it incurs no penalties just a fine or a course?? Depending on how clean my licence is, which I may add is squeeky clean
RE: police - DazzaHDI - 21-09-2014
Ive gone past many a copper without my belt on and most the time they don't even look, ive only ever had one pull on there belt asif to say put it on. So unlucky with your ticket
RE: police - Dum-Dum - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:35 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote: From what I read 3 points will be on seatbelt, tailgating, inconsiderate driving (pushing Infront, not looking when pulling out of junctions etc) as well as a fine soon.Yeah I heard it was coming for seat belts.
As for tailgating and inconsiderate driving they'll need to create some new offences before they start giving people fines and points for it lol.
RE: police - Toms306 - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:46 PM)thebluepearl Wrote: Nah not moaning about being caught that was a fair cop just moaning about the cost, to be fair Mr policeman was the most pleasant friendly officer I've come across in 12 years of motoring, and as for not seeing him he was down an embankment at the side of the road with no hi viz he popped up as I was pulling it on he did explain that he saw me putting it on and even though I was attempting it he had seen me do it so had to do something as for points he said it incurs no penalties just a fine or a course?? Depending on how clean my licence is, which I may add is squeeky clean
Pretty sure they can use discretion, especially as it seems you had genuinely forgotten and were putting it on anyway...
But then it is the end of the month, suppose they need to hit the targets.
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:47 PM)DazzaHDI Wrote: Ive gone past many a copper without my belt on and most the time they don't even look, ive only ever had one pull on there belt asif to say put it on. So unlucky with your ticket
Because you want to test the strength of your face vs steering wheel!!?!
RE: police - Dum-Dum - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:59 PM)Piggy Wrote:(21-09-2014, 07:47 PM)DazzaHDI Wrote: Ive gone past many a copper without my belt on and most the time they don't even look, ive only ever had one pull on there belt asif to say put it on. So unlucky with your ticket
Because you want to test the strength of your face vs steering wheel!!?!
But airbag cuddles are nice and warm.
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
Airbag could cause more serious injury when not wearing a seatbelt than no airbag and no seatbelt.
Just a complete lack of respect for life if you dont wear it, no!?
(21-09-2014, 07:54 PM)Toms306 Wrote: But then it is the end of the month, suppose they need to hit the targets.
Dont break the law and targets wont be an issue.
Im sure targets for less deaths and injuries on the road would be preferred by any policemanofficer
RE: police - Niall - 21-09-2014
I can't see how people can't wear seat belts. As stupid as it sounds, i don't feel right without one. Feel almost naked.
Also, i would not want to be hitting an airbag without a seatbelt on. Thats basically lights out!
RE: police - thebluepearl - 21-09-2014
On a good note I did a bit of modifying this weekend just need to resolve my squeaky brakes issue pads and discs look pretty good copper slipped back of front pads today and still the squeak carries on and it's definitely the brakes argggghhh bloody car
RE: police - Toms306 - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:05 PM)Piggy Wrote:(21-09-2014, 07:54 PM)Toms306 Wrote: But then it is the end of the month, suppose they need to hit the targets.
Dont break the law and targets wont be an issue.
But it was a genuine mistake, we're all human, we all make mistakes, I'd think we've all done it, I certainly have when in a rush. It's not like he was actively making a phonecall or something which requires conscious effort.
RE: police - Niall - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:17 PM)Toms306 Wrote:(21-09-2014, 08:05 PM)Piggy Wrote:(21-09-2014, 07:54 PM)Toms306 Wrote: But then it is the end of the month, suppose they need to hit the targets.
Dont break the law and targets wont be an issue.
But it was a genuine mistake, we're all human, we all make mistakes, I'd think we've all done it, I certainly have when in a rush. It's not like he was actively making a phonecall or something which requires conscious effort.
So what you're saying is, if i run over a little girl and kill her because i had a lapse in concentration, completely a genuine mistake, i should be let off free? But if i run her over on purpose, i should be punished?
RE: police - thebluepearl - 21-09-2014
No I believe he's implying the officer could have used discretion , as I was noticeably putting my belt on although I SHOULD have done so before I pulled away but that's by the by I've been caught I didn't try to deny it held my hands up admitted it was a mistake on my behalf he could have given a stern ticking off instead of a ticket
RE: police - Toms306 - 21-09-2014
Yes, obviously.
Seriously though, you can't compare killing someone to briefly forgetting a seatbelt.
(21-09-2014, 08:26 PM)thebluepearl Wrote: No I believe he's implying the officer could have used discretion , as I was noticeably putting my belt on although I SHOULD have done so before I pulled away but that's by the by I've been caught I didn't try to deny it held my hands up admitted it was a mistake on my behalf he could have given a stern ticking off instead of a ticket
Exactly that!
I was watching traffic cops (or similar) the other day, and tbh that program just frustrates me. Slightly speeding/belt off/minor car defect they get fined etc. Yet there were two drunk drivers that crashed and got let off because by the time they had the accurate breath test it'd worn off. One guy who crashed into two other cars, one with a very young baby, and a woman who was not only drunk but on her bloody phone texting and rolled her 206cc on its roof....she cried, and got let off aswell! It's just ridiculous imo, that's much more dangerous than forgetting a belt, doing 33mph or a bulb out...but those things are easier to write fines for.
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
So if I am driving at 100mph on the motorway but when the copper see's me I manage to brake down to 70mph...then they should allow discretion!? Or I finish my phonecall while driving as the copper spots me?....etc.
Lesson here for the OP I rekon is now I bet he will never forget his belt. Best £100 driving lesson he will ever take
10yrs driving. No fines. No points. No cautions. NEVER forgot my seatbelt.
And I am far from perfect
police - Razorback_Rob - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 07:50 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote:(21-09-2014, 07:35 PM)Razorback_Rob Wrote: From what I read 3 points will be on seatbelt, tailgating, inconsiderate driving (pushing Infront, not looking when pulling out of junctions etc) as well as a fine soon.Yeah I heard it was coming for seat belts.
As for tailgating and inconsiderate driving they'll need to create some new offences before they start giving people fines and points for it lol.
Yeah I can't imagine they could just leave it under the umbrella of "inconsiderate driving" I'll try find the article I read this morning on facebook.
RE: police - Niall - 21-09-2014
I think the point has been missed here. Yes you put your seat belt on but the point is, you still committed a crime by driving off without it on. Yes he could of used discretion but for all he knows, you saw him and then put it on and if you had of carried on driving if he hadn't of been there, you would of continued on without it.
Also Tom, you can compare killing to not wearing a seatbelt because if he had of hit something at 40 without his belt on, he would of been dead. Ok so you could argue that thats his fault so tough shit but you have to think about the financial impact on the state for dealing with the death and most importantly, the impact it would have on his family.
RE: police - Toms306 - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:33 PM)Piggy Wrote: So if I am driving at 100mph on the motorway but when the copper see's me I manage to brake down to 70mph...then they should allow discretion!? Or I finish my phonecall while driving as the copper spots me?....etc.
Lesson here for the OP I rekon is now I bet he will never forget his belt. Best £100 driving lesson he will ever take
10yrs driving. No fines. No points. No cautions. NEVER forgot my seatbelt.
And I am far from perfect
Driving at 100mph or making a phonecall are NOT accidental mistakes though - you'd be making a conscious decision to do that. If you get stopped doing that, fair game.
As you say, you're far from perfect...so have probably committed offences yourself in those 10 years, but been lucky enough not to get caught so far. Infact, didn't you get a telling off for leaving some bombs in your car one night?
I've still got a clean licence after 5 years, but that doesn't mean I'm in any way a good driver.
RE: police - maxlee - 21-09-2014
you fitted the pressed number plates yet?
RE: police - Piggy - 21-09-2014
I dont see how forgetting your seatbelt is an accident either!?
Its not like you dont wear one before you learn to drive!!?
police - DavidA - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:29 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Yet there were two drunk drivers that crashed and got let off because by the time they had the accurate breath test it'd worn off..
That's why it's a lot more likely someone will get an on the spot fine, proving drink driving or serious speeding with court cases etc is so much harder/more effort than just pulling you over and giving you a ticket.
RE: police - Connor - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:33 PM)Piggy Wrote: 10yrs driving. No fines. No points. No cautions. NEVER forgot my seatbelt.
And I am far from perfect
Ill take all my point over the years (9 in total, never in any 3 year period) over a bomb squad smashing my windows in any day
RE: police - procta - 21-09-2014
my dad got stopped once in my 1st car with no belt on, he got a warning thru the post that was it, no fine or anything, sadly my car ended up with a marker on it! Cheers dad! ( the car was insured for us all at the time)
RE: police - Dum-Dum - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 10:03 PM)Connor Wrote:(21-09-2014, 08:33 PM)Piggy Wrote: 10yrs driving. No fines. No points. No cautions. NEVER forgot my seatbelt.
And I am far from perfect
Ill take all my point over the years (9 in total, never in any 3 year period) over a bomb squad smashing my windows in any day
QFT!!!!!
Anyway cut the guy some slack. He knows he did it and what one of you would of fined a man driving out a petrol station and putting it on seconds after?
I suppose it highlights the issue with officer discretion as you have 130000 officers in the UK all with different opinions.
RE: police - toseland - 21-09-2014
(21-09-2014, 08:12 PM)Niall Wrote: I can't see how people can't wear seat belts. As stupid as it sounds, i don't feel right without one. Feel almost naked.
Also, i would not want to be hitting an airbag without a seatbelt on. Thats basically lights out!
i know exactly how you feel, i moved my mates landrover the other day about 200 yards on his farm, it felt strange not putting the belt on whilst in a moving car.
anyway, whats' wrong with being hit in the face with something travelling at 500mph..
i got 3 points for "mobile device whilst driving" bang to rights, my fault, broke a law that had been in for 11 years at that point, no arguement.. and the guy that pulled me over was the guy from traffic cops... result lol
I was always of the understanding that points were allocated to an offence if and when that offence had hte potential to cause harm to another, which is why motorbike riders not wearing a helmet is not endorsable, however pillion without a lid is (can cause harm to him, legally responsible etc).
would be a pretty steep change in the law if seatbelts commanded 3 points as well, as the only person you are putting in danger (as the driver only) is yourself, when passangers start however, being in charge of that vehicle, it is your responsibility