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RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Curt - 13-08-2014
Don't waste your money, just stick with decent quality normal discs.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - DazzaHDI - 13-08-2014
If I were you I'd get some decent discs with decent pads, mintex 1188 or green stuff or something, I'm gonna get normal discs when these need changing, they're more for show then anything. The braided lines and 6 master cylinder make a difference though
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 13-08-2014
(13-08-2014, 04:03 PM)DazzaHDI Wrote: If I were you I'd get some decent discs with decent pads, mintex 1188 or green stuff or something, I'm gonna get normal discs when these need changing, they're more for show then anything. The braided lines and 6 master cylinder make a difference though
I'll have to have a look what would you class as decent disks and what does the 6 master cylinder look like?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Slam Wagon - 13-08-2014
get some standard disks from euro, but pop some decent pads in, plenty of threads with recommendations on here already.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Midnightclub - 13-08-2014
If you're getting discs from ECP, go for pagid over the eischer ones, they are made much better and helps with the bedding in process
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Curt - 13-08-2014
I just put some Delphi discs and pads on because they're decent plus damn good value.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - RetroPug - 14-08-2014
Drilled and grooved discs are a waste of money and your pads on a standardish-power road car.
Drilling is for dissipating heat, and if you are overheating the brakes enough for drilled discs on the road you are driving like a cock.
Grooves are for skimming the top layer off of very hot brake pads to remove the near-molten, softened pad material from VERY hot brake pads, this reduces brake fade. Again, your brake pads should not be molten on the road.
The only advantage is that grooves can increase the initial bite. However, skimming the pads every rotation also increases pad wear.
To summarise, you will have 0.1% better brakes with drilled and grooved disks if you aren't braking hard constantly on track, for higher cost and shorter pad life. Gti6 brakes with good quality discs and pads are more than enough to lock the wheels. You would do better to have good quality brakes, and put the extra into better tyres for better stopping power.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 14-08-2014
(14-08-2014, 08:16 AM)RetroPug Wrote: Drilled and grooved discs are a waste of money and your pads on a standardish-power road car.
Drilling is for dissipating heat, and if you are overheating the brakes enough for drilled discs on the road you are driving like a cock.
Grooves are for skimming the top layer off of very hot brake pads to remove the near-molten, softened pad material from VERY hot brake pads, this reduces brake fade. Again, your brake pads should not be molten on the road.
The only advantage is that grooves can increase the initial bite. However, skimming the pads every rotation also increases pad wear.
To summarise, you will have 0.1% better brakes with drilled and grooved disks if you aren't braking hard constantly on track, for higher cost and shorter pad life. Gti6 brakes with good quality discs and pads are more than enough to lock the wheels. You would do better to have good quality brakes, and put the extra into better tyres for better stopping power.
Thanks for the summary, that's helped
I'll just get good quality standard disks and some green stuff pads when I need to replace them. I want to strip the calliper's and repaint them is there a guid on stripping the calliper's?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - RetroPug - 14-08-2014
No worries. I've never used them, but others have had bad experiences with green stuff:
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-25638.html
Not sure whether or not there is a guide but I have seen threads on it. Big Red (I think) do caliper rebuild kits at reasonable prices, think they can be found on ebay but not sure. Give it a google and have a search through on here.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 14-08-2014
(14-08-2014, 10:15 AM)RetroPug Wrote: No worries. I've never used them, but others have had bad experiences with green stuff:
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-25638.html
Not sure whether or not there is a guide but I have seen threads on it. Big Red (I think) do caliper rebuild kits at reasonable prices, think they can be found on ebay but not sure. Give it a google and have a search through on here.
Yeah I've just checked out Big Red, seem pretty reasonable
I'll have to do it when I don't need the car for a few days
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - 306gtiparts - 14-08-2014
(13-08-2014, 02:21 PM)DazzaHDI Wrote: They're 6 brakes
Here's mine
Stupid iphone!
Arent those discs on the wrong side ?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Jonny81191 - 14-08-2014
For the disks and pads on general fast road/occasional track use, I'd recommend Pagid TBH. They're damn good value for what they are, basically very good quality OE spec.
Disks:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-disc/?104545108&1&b5fe17b69c724e433294857680dc3aae57c08b7e&000027
Pads:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101545378&1&74abb9a1b7e7f21d1c2863cf0637bb9cdaaac462&000036
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 14-08-2014
(14-08-2014, 07:20 PM)Jonny81191 Wrote: For the disks and pads on general fast road/occasional track use, I'd recommend Pagid TBH. They're damn good value for what they are, basically very good quality OE spec.
Disks:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-disc/?104545108&1&b5fe17b69c724e433294857680dc3aae57c08b7e&000027
Pads:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101545378&1&74abb9a1b7e7f21d1c2863cf0637bb9cdaaac462&000036
Thanks man
I'll get them when they need replacing guessing the price of the disks are for 1? And pads are for a front set?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Niall - 14-08-2014
(14-08-2014, 07:20 PM)Jonny81191 Wrote: For the disks and pads on general fast road/occasional track use, I'd recommend Pagid TBH. They're damn good value for what they are, basically very good quality OE spec.
Disks:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-disc/?104545108&1&b5fe17b69c724e433294857680dc3aae57c08b7e&000027
Pads:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101545378&1&74abb9a1b7e7f21d1c2863cf0637bb9cdaaac462&000036
Second that. I used Pagid stuff for a while and was spot on!
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 14-08-2014
(14-08-2014, 09:29 PM)Niall Wrote:(14-08-2014, 07:20 PM)Jonny81191 Wrote: For the disks and pads on general fast road/occasional track use, I'd recommend Pagid TBH. They're damn good value for what they are, basically very good quality OE spec.
Disks:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-disc/?104545108&1&b5fe17b69c724e433294857680dc3aae57c08b7e&000027
Pads:
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeot_306_2.0_1996/p/car-parts/brakes/brake-friction/brake-pad/?101545378&1&74abb9a1b7e7f21d1c2863cf0637bb9cdaaac462&000036
Second that. I used Pagid stuff for a while and was spot on!
Yeah I'll go for them
really great price
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Toms306 - 15-08-2014
Also use Pagid...mainly cos the discs look pretty.
But seriously, always seem to have issues with Eicher, either squealing or warping, but Pagid have been fine every time!
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Midnightclub - 15-08-2014
Yeah I bought eicher last time and they took a huge amount longer to bed in than other discs I've had.. will definitely be going pagid next time!
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - bigcheez2k3 - 15-08-2014
Can get a set of Mintex discs and pads for all corners on ebay for not much. They're not 1144's but still seem to work good enough.
I'll try to find a link later.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-GTI6-MINTEX-FRONT-REAR-BRAKE-DISCS-PADS-/330414803646?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3A306&hash=item4cee41cabe
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Matt-Rallye - 15-08-2014
Get 4 pots.
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RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Nathan1305 - 15-08-2014
(15-08-2014, 08:28 AM)Toms306 Wrote: Also use Pagid...mainly cos the discs look pretty.
But seriously, always seem to have issues with Eicher, either squealing or warping, but Pagid have been fine every time!
Yeah I think my current discs are warped the front right rubs at a curtain point
(15-08-2014, 08:53 AM)bigcheez2k3 Wrote: Can get a set of Mintex discs and pads for all corners on ebay for not much. They're not 1144's but still seem to work good enough.
I'll try to find a link later.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-GTI6-MINTEX-FRONT-REAR-BRAKE-DISCS-PADS-/330414803646?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3A306&hash=item4cee41cabe
That seems like a pretty good deal I'll have to price up pagid for all corners and see what works out cheaper
(15-08-2014, 09:44 AM)Matt-Rallye Wrote: Get 4 pots.
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I'd love to! But don't think I'll need them for road/occasional track use
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Matt-Rallye - 15-08-2014
(15-08-2014, 09:52 AM)Nathan1305 Wrote:(15-08-2014, 08:28 AM)Toms306 Wrote: Also use Pagid...mainly cos the discs look pretty.
But seriously, always seem to have issues with Eicher, either squealing or warping, but Pagid have been fine every time!
Yeah I think my current discs are warped the front right rubs at a curtain point
(15-08-2014, 08:53 AM)bigcheez2k3 Wrote: Can get a set of Mintex discs and pads for all corners on ebay for not much. They're not 1144's but still seem to work good enough.
I'll try to find a link later.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-GTI6-MINTEX-FRONT-REAR-BRAKE-DISCS-PADS-/330414803646?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3A306&hash=item4cee41cabe
That seems like a pretty good deal I'll have to price up pagid for all corners and see what works out cheaper
(15-08-2014, 09:44 AM)Matt-Rallye Wrote: Get 4 pots.
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I'd love to! But don't think I'll need them for road/occasional track use
Maybe slight overkill but no-one has ever died from having brakes that were too good..
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - 306gtiparts - 16-08-2014
(13-08-2014, 02:21 PM)DazzaHDI Wrote: They're 6 brakes
Here's mine
Stupid iphone!
Dazza looks like your discs are on the wrong side??
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Will - 26-08-2014
Lots of talk about upping the size of front brakes or putting gti6 brakes on but as anyone considered 406 hdi brakes? or am I missing something? They're the same size as gti6 up front but they appear a good bit bigger on the back. Are the 306's too light on the tail for the bigger rear bakes?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Grant - 26-08-2014
(26-08-2014, 09:11 PM)Will Wrote: Lots of talk about upping the size of front brakes or putting gti6 brakes on but as anyone considered 406 hdi brakes? or am I missing something? They're the same size as gti6 up front but they appear a good bit bigger on the back. Are the 306's too light on the tail for the bigger rear bakes?
IIRC Dum-Dum did this.
They benefit from a larger piston size in the front callipers from memory.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Will - 26-08-2014
Apologies if I double over a topic, only new and trying my best not to :S do you know are the bigger back brakes suitable or do they over do it?
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Grant - 26-08-2014
Never looked into it mate.
As long as the brakes physically fit, and the bias remains reasonably similar, then it will be fine.
If you are changing both the front and rear brakes, the bias should be fine.
Things to consider would be rear disc diameter (will they fit under the wheels once the callipers are over them(which I imagine they would)) and if the mountings are compatible.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Poodle - 27-08-2014
Tbh it's probably overkill for anything less than a track weapon, my back end gets happy when braking heavily with standard rear brakes, as you say there just isn't the weight over the back in 306s.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - RetroPug - 27-08-2014
If you have a large budget, go for it, but decent pads and disks in standard brakes + the best tyres you can afford will stop you better than a big brake conversion and not so great tyres.
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Niall - 27-08-2014
Tbh id just refresh the rear calipers and leave be. The rears don't really so much stopping at all (probably 20% overall max) but are more there to help keep the car in shape under heavy braking. It's the fronts which do the majority of the stopping!
RE: Benefits of gti6 brakes - Piggy - 27-08-2014
Tyres.
Most people put huge brakes on then search and search for the cheapest tyres to put on. Complete lack of the understanding of grip and where to spend the money.
Well serviced brakes and decent tyres will out brake gti6 brakes wacked on for £50 and budget tyres!
Cant ever imagine you would need bigger rear calipers unless you have more weight in the back regualarly or mid engine/rear engine conversion, RWD or 4WD