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Cleaning rusty parts with Electrolysis - cully - 18-03-2014
this is a bit of an experiment on my part after reading a post on the Facebook 306oc page.
after some investigation ive decided on a have a go approach
theroy is to use Electrolisis to clean rusty parts before painting
I have a nice Pair of 18mm Hubs complet with ABS sensor and bearings to experiment with
im not going to strip them down till after as the circlip is rusted in so fingers crossed the circlip,bearing,abs sensor and all can be removed with little effort
so here we go
Things needed
Bucket,
the bucket needs to be big enough to hold the part without touching the sides.
Soda Crystals
these are used for cleaning £1 per KG from Tesco on the washing powder isle
Piece wood
broom handle of the likes used to suspend the item to be cleaned
Battery charger
cheap battery charger not the auto type that shuts down or any DC powersupply
Mild steal
this is used as an + electrode in the solution
wire
Mig wire or something like used for suspending work
How ive done it
my bucket is a 25ltr contaner, i have rolled a piece of mild steal to line the bucket this is going to be the Positive terminal
![[Image: DSCF1309.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1309.jpg.html)
as said the soda crystals have come from Tescos £1 per bag, the soda crystals are used to make the water conduct electricity to enable the electrolisis to take place
![[Image: DSCF1310.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1310.jpg.html)
ive added 15ltrs of water to the bucket and 1.5 packets of soda
this was a mistake as this mix draws tomuch current!
i would probably go for 15ltrs to 0.5 bag nextt time
![[Image: DSCF1311.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1311.jpg.html)
next get your rusty part
connect multiple wires to the part to suspend it into the solution
![[Image: DSCF1312.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1312.jpg.html)
use wooden pole to suspend the part into the liqued solution, place part in such a way as for it to be NOT touching the sides/positive electrode.
connect the part to the Negative/0volt rail of the battery charger,
connect the mild steal plate outer to the 12volt rail of the charger,
![[Image: DSCF1313.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1313.jpg.html)
turn on the charger! after a while the solution should start to fizz (if the part isnt touching the outer)
WARNING THIS IS PRODUCING HYDROGEN DONT SMOKE OR DO THIS IN CONFIND SPACE
![[Image: DSCF1314.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1314.jpg.html)
if you mix the solution to strong you will draw a lot of current!
![[Image: DSCF1316.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1316.jpg.html)
thats it for Science part1
i now have to wait 12hours for the magic of Electrolisis to take place
TO BE CONTINUED
good or bad
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - RetroPug - 18-03-2014
Really interesting experiment!
Watching with interest...
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Connor - 18-03-2014
*awaits "so my garage burned down" thread tomorrow*
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Tom - 18-03-2014
Clever shit, very awesome if it works well!
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 18-03-2014
after 3 hours there is good evidence that this is doing something with all the dirt floating on the top
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - WiNgNuTz - 18-03-2014
This looks good, very interested in the outcome! You do get up to some mischief don't you Paul!
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 18-03-2014
no point having the tools if you dont experiment
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - bashbarnard - 18-03-2014
Subscribed i love stuff like this!!
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Piggy - 18-03-2014
Good work Pioneer cully!!
Although, soda crystals are amazing anyway, so that dirt maybe just from that...but I would love to see some amazingly clean part come out tomorrow!
How long you rekon it will take?
Re: Cleaning rusty parts - kentiiboii - 18-03-2014
I love shit like this. Definitely subscribing.
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 18-03-2014
(18-03-2014, 09:15 PM)Piggy Wrote: Good work Pioneer cully!!
How long you rekon it will take?
i think it depends on how much current you can push
small current small amount of bubbles bursting rust off
large current large amount of bubbles bursting rust off
then there is time to add to that
longer time small current for the same effects as shorter time higher current
just my thoughts at this time
would be interesting to see if i added copper to one electrode or the electrolite, i recone it would coat the other electrode with copper like electroplating
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Eeyore - 18-03-2014
I wonder what will come out?!?! D:
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - C.A.R. - 18-03-2014
Someone did something similar for 'playing' purposes over on the GTi6 club a couple of years ago, all very clever shit!
I'm actually excited for the outcome. Please update us tomorrow morning and don't leave us hanging on til the afternoon....
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 19-03-2014
Science Part 2
well i didnt know quite what to expect this morning garage,no garage,hole in ground!
BUT!
8am so a total of 14 hours in the tank
i pulled this out earlyer
all brown and rusty still i wern't that impressed
![[Image: DSCF1323.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1323.jpg.html)
untill i hosed the part off with the garden hose no pressure washer or wire brush no scrubbing or scrapeing!
![[Image: DSCF1324.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1324.jpg.html)
![[Image: DSCF1325.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1325.jpg.html)
when it started to come clean i was quite took back how clean it came
and so easy
need to put the second hub in now just to get the same effect
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Piggy - 19-03-2014
thats SWEET!
getting me a bucket asap!
(question....if I used a metal 25L bucket...could I use it then without a liner?)
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 19-03-2014
(19-03-2014, 08:11 AM)Piggy Wrote: thats SWEET!
getting me a bucket asap!
(question....if I used a metal 25L bucket...could I use it then without a liner?)
yes but remember the bucket will erode with the electrolisis effect
i would not use a zinc plated bucket as i think that will give off chlorine gas which is poisonous!
a plastic bin with a mild steal bar would give the same effect
other options are
V+ mild steal bar------V- work------V+ mild steal bar
basicly you want the current/electrons to pass evenly from the work
thats why i made the circular liner
Re: Cleaning rusty parts - kentiiboii - 19-03-2014
Wow thats amazing results
so easily done. :-) Think I may have to till a swimming pool and chuck the whole car in.
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - C.A.R. - 19-03-2014
Wow!
Now, how many soda crystals will I need to dunk an entire 306? Only up to the door handles should do the trick!!
Cleaning rusty parts - bashbarnard - 19-03-2014
Thats awesome. *rings up local swimming pool*
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - anto - 19-03-2014
That's very impressive il have to look into doing this as well.
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - zx_volcane - 19-03-2014
science!
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 19-03-2014
(19-03-2014, 09:41 AM)C.A.R. Wrote: Wow!
Now, how many soda crystals will I need to dunk an entire 306? Only up to the door handles should do the trick!!
This isnt such a stupid idea!
bare shell on axle stands in a tarpaulin made tank using an ark welder as a power supply
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 19-03-2014
(19-03-2014, 10:03 AM)zx_volcane Wrote: science!
as maybe but this isn't an English lesson
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Tom - 19-03-2014
Wow thats really awesome, whats the surface like there now? Ready to paint?
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - mr_fish - 19-03-2014
good results there cully!
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - cully - 19-03-2014
(19-03-2014, 10:54 AM)Tom Wrote: Wow thats really awesome, whats the surface like there now? Ready to paint?
with very minor prep work the serface is ready to paint
i have wire brushed some of the areas and it is comming up as new! good clean metal
even the areas with larger scabs a quick scrap with a screwdriver and it falls away clean with no effort at all
![[Image: DSCF1326.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1326.jpg.html)
![[Image: DSCF1328.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1328.jpg.html)
![[Image: DSCF1329.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/cully/media/Electrolisis%20cleaning%20of%20rusty%20car%20parts/DSCF1329.jpg.html)
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - powerandtorque - 19-03-2014
That's pretty impressive - I've heard of it before but not seen the clear before and after results you've demonstrated.
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Tom - 19-03-2014
Thats fantastic.
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - welshpug - 19-03-2014
this was my effort.
![[Image: 9025823763_ba4ecc3221_c.jpg]](http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/9025823763_ba4ecc3221_c.jpg)
under the solution was a pair of scrap brake discs as the sacrificial anodes, threaded rod across the top of the box with the steel wire dangling down to hold the parts.
this S16 caliper only had a few hours in a fairly weak solution, I had underestimated the size of the box!
![[Image: 9028765150_0bc9d54692_z.jpg]](http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3723/9028765150_0bc9d54692_z.jpg)
![[Image: 9028809086_a9a8db17cc_z.jpg]](http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/9028809086_a9a8db17cc_z.jpg)
RE: Cleaning rusty parts - Piggy - 19-03-2014
Is something like a caliper going to be ok though...would it not ruin the seals?
Great work cully!!!