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Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - tigerstyle - 28-01-2014
Can you take the engine out of a HDi whilst leaving the gearbox and driveshafts untouched?
Thinking I can do water pump, timing belt, EGR turbo blank, clutch cable all with the ease of having the engine out of the bay. Splitting the driveshafts isn't the end of the world but would be good to leave them in, and a possible time saver, or time waster fighting it the whole way?
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - mcglynn - 28-01-2014
Drive shafts definitely have to come off.
You're not going to do a clutch eithout removing them lol. You can do all the work on the car with the right bits stripped off.
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - tigerstyle - 28-01-2014
It's the 'extras' like EGR blank and clutch cable that might just fly out and back in with an empty bay, was my thinking, that and take 2-3 days to do it and try and enjoy the process and not rush it!
The aircon compressor is easy to remove and attach out of the way and not stop the engine coming out? My aircon actually works so would like to keep it that way!
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - mcglynn - 28-01-2014
Im sure you would have to have it degaased and again regassed when you reconnect, as it will need to go off somehow.
Those buts are easier done with the engine out but not impossible to impossible do with the engine in situ
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Ricky - 28-01-2014
EGR blank just take the engine off its top mount and tip it forward.
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - R1-Mini - 28-01-2014
I had the same job and i found it a lot quicker just to take the front end off
Take the engine and box out in 1 and do the work on the floor
No messin its there in front of you easier to work on and a damn sight more room lol
Took me about 1 and half days to do the job you say
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Frosty - 28-01-2014
It will be a lot easier to take the engine out with the gearbox still bolted on to the engine
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Toms306 - 28-01-2014
Take the engine and box out together, easily done in a couple of hours first time.
As for the air con, you'll need take the electric plug off, and the aux belt, but as long as you leave the gas pipes connected to the compressor you wont have to regas it. Not sure if you can get it out of the way enough while still attached but might as well give it a go.
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - stu9 - 28-01-2014
(28-01-2014, 02:35 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Take the engine and box out together, easily done in a couple of hours first time.
Really....a couple of hours, as in 2
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Toms306 - 28-01-2014
Yeah, to get it out in one lump it's easy tbh. I'd much rather do that than something like a headgasket tbh! Cat off, gear links off, driveshafts out, lower engine mount undone, battery/airbox out, loom unplugged, fuel lines off, water pipes off, PAS pipes off, clutch cable, hook up the crane and whip off the gearbox mount and top engine mount.
Though being a 306, there will always be snags... The driveshaft bearing will probably be seized, the cat pipe nuts will be seized/crossthreaded, numerous bolts will be so rusty they just snap... Then you realise you need to take the aux belt tensioner off as there's so little clearance around the HDi engine in the 306 bay lol.
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Poodle - 28-01-2014
If you want to do it without having to disassemble the front end and regassing the aircon, then you can drop the subframe and take it out underneath - need a fair bit of ground clearance though.
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - tigerstyle - 28-01-2014
I might be able to get the gas pumped out and stored ready to be regassed later. One less big thing to worry about then.
Up and out is preferred due to space/crane size etc.
Sounds like it'll all be coming out in one piece, take time with the driveshafts and hope they play along nice!
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - rd070707 - 28-01-2014
It would be disconnecting the hdi loom and plugging it all back in in the same place would worry me
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Eeyore - 28-01-2014
Yeh you definitely cant do it leaving the gearbox and drive shafts in. Just take it out in one lump and do all the work. If you are regassing air con does that mean yours actually works?
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - tigerstyle - 28-01-2014
(28-01-2014, 06:53 PM)SRowell Wrote: If you are regassing air con does that mean yours actually works?
I gambled on the condenser being broken so replaced it last year (end of the summer though!) put in a new dryer for good measure few new oring too and a fridge engineer mate vacuumed it out and charged it up, 5 months later all is still good.
The loom is probably one can of worms I've not thought about!
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - R1-Mini - 28-01-2014
Just leave the loom on the engine and unscrew the 2 wiring plugs at the bottom right by the rad
Disconnect the ecu and a couple of other plugs by it and that's it
Its no big issue
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - tigerstyle - 28-01-2014
RE: Best way to approach these jobs (Clutch, Timing Belt, etc) - Alan_M - 28-01-2014
I'm currently working my way through a cambelt change on the HDi. Unfortunately, I can only dedicate a few hours a day so slowly getting there.....engine is currently 'pinned'.
For the clutch though, I plan on keeping engine in car and removing box (with shafts, one needs a new boot anyway). Done it a few times on 205s and my 1.4 306. Hardest part is refitting the box and lining up the splines. Going to rig up a scaffold pole on wooden blocks on the strut tops to hold the box up with rope as I don't fancy bench pressing the box whilst 'wiggling' again.
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(28-01-2014, 04:31 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Then you realise you need to take the aux belt tensioner off as there's so little clearance around the HDi engine in the 306 bay lol.
I noticed this today. There is less space in an engine bay of a 306 HDi than a 205 Mi16/GTi6.