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1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Last couple of months my daily driver ( 1996 5 door DT ) has been getting worse at starting when car been left for a while or over night.
Car turns over fine but takes 5-8 secomds to fire up, massive amounts of what I would say bluey white color smoke, even when I open the throttle it like its missing.
new plugs fitted few months back.
Any ideas ????
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Piggy - 01-01-2014
what make of plugs?
how old is the battery?
running veg or diesel?
Any signs of fuel leaking around injectors or fuel lines/pump?
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Jimbo - 01-01-2014
Air ingress into fuel lines most likely.
Prime up the grenade and listen and look for leaks
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Funk me super quick replies
New starter last week along with new battery
Plugs nkg can not remember part number 2.79 each off eBay if I remember
(01-01-2014, 03:20 PM)Jimbo Wrote: Air ingress into fuel lines most likely.
Prime up the grenade and listen and look for leaks
Any know places that normally fail ??
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Jimbo - 01-01-2014
Fuel filter housing, and sometime just a loose jubilee clip.
I once has a lucas pump leak on a copper washer on the fuel inlet
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Piggy - 01-01-2014
just next time you go to start it when its been sat for a while, give the fuel grenade a pump and prime it up till firm, then give it a go.
leak off pipes are most common in my exp
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 03:46 PM)Piggy Wrote: just next time you go to start it when its been sat for a while, give the fuel grenade a pump and prime it up till firm, then give it a go.
leak off pipes are most common in my exp
Just tried the grenade, will not start now
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Piggy - 01-01-2014
Will not start? Should start miles better
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Nope grenade firm turning over ok but that's it, last time did that had to undo the fuel thingy brass color to let out some fuel to get it going
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Jimbo - 01-01-2014
So sounds like its definatly letting lots of air in ur having to bleed it
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - THE_Liam - 01-01-2014
Wet all the fuel pipes with soapy water and look for bubbles as you turn it over or rev it
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Just been out to try again and it fired up less smoke, pumped the grenade now won't fire up, when better weather comes full service and check fuel lines for leak, just on point if air getting into the system would it not affect normal driving ?? After starting runs sweet as a nut
New to the xud so be gentle with me !??
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Dean - 01-01-2014
Diesels are funny with fuel lines and air getting into the system, well on HDI's they are anyways not entirely sure about XUD's as I havn't encountered that problem yet.
Best of doing what Liam said and get some soapy water on the pipes and look for bubbles, and don't forget the leak off pipes.
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Anyone able to post a picture of which pipes to check thanks
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Dean - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 04:21 PM)ady_c Wrote: Anyone able to post a picture of which pipes to check thanks
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the ones circled in red, excuse the crappy ifail photo.
probably have to take the TMIC off if you've got one on
The leak off pipes wont be solid pipe like the ones off the pump, they will be rubber with a heatproof wrap on them, be careful as they may be brittle if they're old.
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Piggy - 01-01-2014
Ive NEVER encountered a xud or any diesel for that matter, that has refused to start because of priming the fuel system
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - THE_Liam - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 04:31 PM)Piggy Wrote: Ive NEVER encountered a xud or any diesel for that matter, that has refused to start because of priming the fuel system
Agreed, however if there's a leak in the lines the grenade could be sucking more air in?
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Dean - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 04:31 PM)Piggy Wrote: Ive NEVER encountered a xud or any diesel for that matter, that has refused to start because of priming the fuel system
I havn't been on the XUD's for long to encounter problems like that, best to be on the safe side though.
Back to Ady, have you checked the fuel filter and the in-tank strainer to see if there is any crap in there?
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Dean, not sure of this problem arose when I did a full service many months ago, already have new filters etc so will check filter housing etc. Putting green pee to bed now but will look tomorrow pm, keep u all posted. Thanks
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Dean - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 05:18 PM)ady_c Wrote: Dean, not sure of this problem arose when I did a full service many months ago, already have new filters etc so will check filter housing etc. Putting green pee to bed now but will look tomorrow pm, keep u all posted. Thanks
Have a check of the in-tank strainer too, just to see if there is anything in there, if you've ran low on diesel then could of sucked some crap through.
If you're on a bosch pump may help to run some veg through to clean to lines, then change the fuel filter after the veg has gone.
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 01-01-2014
Going to give it a good check over tomorrow esp the pipes and fuel filter housing. Injectors OK????
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Tom - 01-01-2014
Make sure you have less than half a tank of fuel when you check the strainer!
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - Martin306 - 01-01-2014
(01-01-2014, 07:39 PM)Dean Wrote:(01-01-2014, 05:18 PM)ady_c Wrote: Dean, not sure of this problem arose when I did a full service many months ago, already have new filters etc so will check filter housing etc. Putting green pee to bed now but will look tomorrow pm, keep u all posted. Thanks
Have a check of the in-tank strainer too, just to see if there is anything in there, if you've ran low on diesel then could of sucked some crap through.
If you're on a bosch pump may help to run some veg through to clean to lines, then change the fuel filter after the veg has gone.
the pick up for the tank is ALWAYS at the bottom of the tank, so fuel level doesn't affect the amount of dirt picked up
If there was an air leak, there is NO way the priming bulb would go hard, it would always stay soft (because you're compressing the air that's in the system)
The white blueish smoke is raw diesel burning in the exhaust, my 106 does this
(but for different reasons)Based on the above reasoning, I'm going to point the finger at your battery or plugs. Saying that, it's odd it never started after you squeezed the grenade... this is odd
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 02-01-2014
OK peeps late home from work so nothing checked, what plugs do you all recomemd ??
What would then best plugs to put in??
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - THE_Liam - 02-01-2014
Bosch ones for me, always.
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 02-01-2014
Std Bosch or duratherm
RE: 1996 306 DT starting issues !!! - ady_c - 19-01-2014
Right finally got round to doing a full service, oil, air and fuel filter changed total of £14 plus oil free from work, car seems to be starting loads better, did notice the grenade hand pump might be leaking in air, can anyone supply this new ??