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ebc brake components - wibbz - 26-12-2013
Looking for some help guys has any 1 had any ebc green stuff pads and had any issues with them ie excessive squealing reason for asking is im looking to get some my self but been told there crap ( coming from a vw owner tho)
RE: ebc brake components - cully - 26-12-2013
using EBC Green stuff on the front of my HDI estate
i cant rate them enough not had any issues with squeeling
i have found them an excellent upgrade from standard pads
RE: ebc brake components - wibbz - 26-12-2013
Thanks mate I will order some may I ask what supplier you used
RE: ebc brake components - cully - 26-12-2013
i bought them though a local garage i know quite well
im using them with cheap discs
RE: ebc brake components - daddyfixit - 27-12-2013
I had them on a 106 xsi--greenstuff pads and their grooved discs, from a place in Liverpool called burnley motors, also known as BAT MOTORSPORT (he is a rally driver and also buidls cars for people)
RE: ebc brake components - budd - 27-12-2013
that's probably the first time I've heard good comments on EBC pads, generally people seem to have massive downer on them, a few years ago quality was very suspect, I've personally had Greenstuff pads disintegrate, simply cracked and crumbled to bits, although to be fair to EBC the car in question was alot more powerful than the 200bhp they suggest Greens are suitable for, anyway I'd pretty much given up on them preferring Mintex 1144/1155s which while considerably more expensive they are a deffinite step up in quality, when I built my Xsara VTS road rally car the plan was to use Mintex again but when I was offered a full set of new EBC Yellowstuff pads at a price I couldn't refuse I decided to give EBC another chance (I managed to get F&R EBC Yellow pads, new rear discs, Goodridge hoses and Motul RBF 600 fluid for under £100) and I have to say I've been pleasantly surprised, apart from the plastic that attaches the wear indicators melting they've soaked uo all the punishment I been able to give them with no problem. Good cold performance and no fade at high temps no squealing and they seem to be easy on the discs, whether EBC have improved the Greens from when I used them previously I couldn't say but if the Yellows are anything to go by then you should be OK,
RE: ebc brake components - Alan_M - 28-12-2013
I had Greenstuff in my old 205 many moons ago and they were absolutely fine. No squeal nor excessive dust from them, something that you will get with Mintex 1144s and they're cheaper. I understand EBC changed compounds some years ago, hence the negative comments but are now better.
I now run Yellows on the 205 (4 pots) and that thing stops like it's hit a brick wall. Bit overkill for road though, the first few miles are a bit hairy with the pads cold!
Although, if your car is used on the road only, surely standard and good quality pads will be good enough? I've standard Pagids in my 306 and they're more than ample for the job.
RE: ebc brake components - budd - 28-12-2013
(28-12-2013, 03:13 PM)Alan_M Wrote: I had Greenstuff in my old 205 many moons ago and they were absolutely fine. No squeal nor excessive dust from them, something that you will get with Mintex 1144s and they're cheaper. I understand EBC changed compounds some years ago, hence the negative comments but are now better.
I now run Yellows on the 205 (4 pots) and that thing stops like it's hit a brick wall. Bit overkill for road though, the first few miles are a bit hairy with the pads cold!
Although, if your car is used on the road only, surely standard and good quality pads will be good enough? I've standard Pagids in my 306 and they're more than ample for the job.
Greens are recommended for low power (up 200bhp) cars and are perfect for road use, but track work or prolonged spirited road use will cause them problems just as it will OE spec pads, if you have suffered brake problems due to 'hard driving' then you need to uprate the pad if not then premium OE will suffice.
I've talked customers who'd never experienced pad related brake fade out of fitting uprated pads as they didn't need them and because the likelihood is overall performance would actually suffer due to inferior cold temp performance.
Brake pads are a compromise, the formulation of compounds able to handle serious high temps and generate a high coefficient of friction almost always suffer from various issues which can make them unsuitable for road use, cold temp bite, pad materiel transfer to the disc(which causes judder), excess noise and dust are all potential problems with uprated/race compounds.
So for I've been pleased with the Yellowstuff I'm currently using and I think they have pretty good cold bite especially when compared to 1144/55s and DS 2500/3000, OK not as good as a decent OE pad but they soon warm up and then work very well, whether these Yellows can cope with a trackday on semi slicks like Mintex/Ferodo do remains to be seen,
RE: ebc brake components - BigTallPaul - 08-01-2014
EBC green are OK if you wanrt a cheapish pad as an upgrade for a daily driver.
However, if you like to press on a little or use -roads more than motorways I would look to Mintex, Brembo or even Ferodo.
Depends on hiw you drive really.
Paul
RE: ebc brake components - budd - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 12:53 AM)BigTallPaul Wrote: EBC green are OK if you wanrt a cheapish pad as an upgrade for a daily driver.
However, if you like to press on a little or use -roads more than motorways I would look to Mintex, Brembo or even Ferodo.
Depends on hiw you drive really.
Paul
in general I'd agree with that, Greens could be considered a very basic upgrade with few if any of the issues generally associated with uprated pads but for every day use a premium brand OE spec pad would be equally competent, so really you are just paying EBC to paint them green,
RE: ebc brake components - cully - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 11:13 AM)budd Wrote: but for every day use a premium brand OE spec pad would be equally competent, so really you are just paying EBC to paint them green,
sorry i disagre with that statement!
EBC green over std pads made a huge difference to the stopping power for my Daily estate
RE: ebc brake components - budd - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 11:18 AM)cully Wrote:(08-01-2014, 11:13 AM)budd Wrote: but for every day use a premium brand OE spec pad would be equally competent, so really you are just paying EBC to paint them green,
sorry i disagre with that statement!
EBC green over std pads made a huge difference to the stopping power for my Daily estate
it's a long time since I've used Greenstuff pads so I'm quite happy to stand corrected, the wife's Golf TDi is overdue some front pads,so dependent on extra cost I may consider some Greens, I had intended to simply fit Mintex/Ferodo OE replacements but maybe EBC is a better option.
RE: ebc brake components - cully - 08-01-2014
EBC had a lot of bad press cause of pads breaking up and also squealing but since then they have turned themselves around and made improvments.
but as always bad press is hard to shake off
EBC greens were half the price of uprated mintex pads for me so i think its a no brainer
and im happy with them
RE: ebc brake components - powerandtorque - 08-01-2014
The problem with Greenstuff certainly used to be (no recent experience) that they kept changing the compound or had massively inconsistant batches, as you'd get one set that worked well enough on a road car, only for the next set to be dreadful with absolutely no cold bite, a distinctly wooden feeling pedal and/or habit of fading quite easily.
I suspect this is the reason why you get such a mixed response.
Also you need to remember that in many cases replacing the tired worn out no names pads that a previous owner fitted years ago with a decent OE quality replacement would yield a significant improvement on its own and almost certainly be more than sufficient for road use if the rest of the braking system is upto scratch.
Personally, I would go with Ferodo, Carbon Lorraine or Mintex if I were wanting something uprated beyond OE.
RE: ebc brake components - budd - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 12:49 PM)cully Wrote: EBC had a lot of bad press cause of pads breaking up and also squealing but since then they have turned themselves around and made improvments.
but as always bad press is hard to shake off
EBC greens were half the price of uprated mintex pads for me so i think its a no brainer
and im happy with them
I've had personal experience with Greens breaking up, although to be fair they were in a 200 + bhp Nissan so not really appropriate for the job at hand, when I bought the car the previous owner said he had recently fitted uprated pads and a cursory glance confirmed this so I serviced the rest of the car (increasing the boost a bit
) but leaving the brakes alone and for a few days they were OK but then they 'went off' quite dramatically and when I removed them I was shocked how bad they were, the friction material was simply crumbling and peeling from the backing, once you've seen this it's difficult not to form a adverse opinion on EBC, I'm currently using Yellows and these were bought solely on price (I basically couldn't afford Mintex 1155s) and it's so far so good I can't really fault them especially considering money, so I'd agree EBC seem to have made great strides in performance and quality.(08-01-2014, 01:03 PM)powerandtorque Wrote: Also you need to remember that in many cases replacing the tired worn out no names pads that a previous owner fitted years ago with a decent OE quality replacement would yield a significant improvement on its own and almost certainly be more than sufficient for road use if the rest of the braking system is upto scratch.
Personally, I would go with Ferodo, Carbon Lorraine or Mintex if I were wanting something uprated beyond OE.
if you have never pad related brake fade then premium OE spec pads are likely to be more than adequate, and I agree the makes you mention would all be top of a uprated pad list but is at this point that care needs to be taken, you will certainly improve the brake systems ability to function well at much higher temps but you can also introduce problems with cold temp bite, noise, dust, pad material transfer disc wear etc, the more race / track oriented the pads the worse the problems tend to be
So maybe EBC do have a natural home and could be described as 'lightly uprated' filling the gap between OE and a more specialised (compromised ? ) uprated pad.
BTW I've just priced up EBC Greens for the wifes Golf and they are £58 compared to £30 for EBC OE spec and £22 for Mintex (motor factor trade price) so guess what thr Golf will be getting Mintex OE replacements