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Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 02-10-2013
I understand that the standard Peugeot wheel bolts for the 15" cyclones are 37mm long.
I am re-fitting my Challengers again this week, and will be doing so with 20mm hubcentric spacers.
However, I would like to use my other spare set of 45mm flat-seated bolts, rather than buy another set of 55mm bolts which are just 1cm longer.
Would it be OK to use these 45mm bolts?
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 02-10-2013
It all depends on what size bolts are normally used for Challengers to be honest. You'll want to add another 20mm of thread to the length of those if you're using 20mm spacers. The length of the wheel bolt of cyclones is irrelevant really
Re: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - kentiiboii - 02-10-2013
I dont think thatll work.
I have stud conversions for my aidels (from 307) I needed 70mm long studs. I know about 10-15mm in the hub which leaves about 55mm for wheel, nut and 15mm spacer.
I think for safety id go 55mm.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Eeyore - 02-10-2013
yeh definitely dont run them short. itll only result in disaster!
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - puglove - 03-10-2013
45mm defo wont long enogh. it might bite but wont be in the hub enough. i use 50mm for 10mm spacers so idealy id say get 60mm
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 03-10-2013
Great, thanks for all the unanimous confirmation, guys.
I'll definitely go for at least 55mm bolts, then.
But my only question now is whether I should in fact go for 60mm instead?
Will 60mm definitely fit? I don't want them to be too long!
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Piggy - 03-10-2013
60mm for surety.
also nip a mm or two off if they catch
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 01:56 PM)Pipps Wrote: Great, thanks for all the unanimous confirmation, guys.
I'll definitely go for at least 55mm bolts, then.
But my only question now is whether I should in fact go for 60mm instead?
Will 60mm definitely fit? I don't want them to be too long!
Measure the bolts that normally are used with Challengers, and then add 20mm to those, it's the only way to be 100% sure and confident that you're using the right length. Alternatively go for a stud and nut conversion.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - puglove - 03-10-2013
60mm wont catch if my 50's dont with 10mm spacers, they dont even come out the back side of the hub
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Dum-Dum - 03-10-2013
You will need new bolts as your current ones wont be long enough. You are supposed to go into the hub by 10mm which is 8 turns
Re: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - kentiiboii - 03-10-2013
While were on subject. Would anyone mind pointing me out to a set of extended bolts for cyclones or even better just nuts that will fit cyclones?
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 03-10-2013
Thanks for the confirmation guys. I'll going for 60mm bolts and report back on the outcome.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - puglove - 03-10-2013
Kent
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-Wheel-Nut-Dome-Type-Flat-seated-type-OE-Alloy-wheels-250-GTI-309-ETC-/280766509368?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item415efcf138
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-Wheel-Nut-Open-Type-Flat-seated-type-OE-Alloy-wheels-250-GTI-309-ETC-/280766940159?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item415f0383ff
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 07:02 PM)Pipps Wrote: Thanks for the confirmation guys. I'll going for 60mm bolts and report back on the outcome.
(03-10-2013, 02:03 PM)Scott Wrote: Measure the bolts that normally are used with Challengers, and then add 20mm to those, it's the only way to be 100% sure and confident that you're using the right length. Alternatively go for a stud and nut conversion.It feels like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here, are you still not getting that you're potentially buying the wrong bolts?
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 03-10-2013
But Puglove said...
(03-10-2013, 03:57 PM)puglove Wrote: 60mm wont catch if my 50's dont with 10mm spacers, they dont even come out the back side of the hub
(03-10-2013, 02:03 PM)Scott Wrote: Measure the bolts that normally are used with Challengers, and then add 20mm to those, it's the only way to be 100% sure and confident that you're using the right length. Alternatively go for a stud and nut conversion.
Did you not mean 10mm?
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 03-10-2013
He's not even using those wheels. Just take a bolt out, measure the length, and buy some which are 20mm longer.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 03-10-2013
I have just measured my bolts from the Challengers. The thread is 45mm long, and 15mm has clearly been within the hub.
I have also just measured the bolts from the original Cyclones. The thread is 35mm long and 13mm of it has been within the hub.
I think I will buy 55mm bolts.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 03-10-2013
Thread is 45mm long, you're adding 20mm spacers, buy 65mm bolts. Cyclone bolts have nothing to do with it.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 04-10-2013
The 45mm bolts are the ones already being used with 10mm spacers
Re: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - kentiiboii - 04-10-2013
Plus challengers want flat seated/ tapered nuts
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Arron - 04-10-2013
I run 53mm bolts for my 15 mil spacers on vortex. So 57 or 60 whichever you can find as long as they dont catch!
Arron
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Dum-Dum - 04-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 11:08 PM)Scott Wrote:(03-10-2013, 07:02 PM)Pipps Wrote: Thanks for the confirmation guys. I'll going for 60mm bolts and report back on the outcome.(03-10-2013, 02:03 PM)Scott Wrote: Measure the bolts that normally are used with Challengers, and then add 20mm to those, it's the only way to be 100% sure and confident that you're using the right length. Alternatively go for a stud and nut conversion.It feels like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here, are you still not getting that you're potentially buying the wrong bolts?
IIRC cyclone bolts fit with challengers (its the same flat seat and wheel thickness) so 20mm on a cyclone bolt is 57mm but cyclone bolts don't go all the way into the hub so 60mm bolts
Id be willing to bet that his 45mm bolts with 10mm spacers have only been going in about 4 turns
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 04-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 01:44 PM)puglove Wrote: 45mm defo wont long enogh. it might bite but wont be in the hub enough. i use 50mm for 10mm spacers so idealy id say get 60mmPuglove, what wheels are you using these spacers and bolts with please? What specific ET offset are they?
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Scott - 04-10-2013
(04-10-2013, 09:36 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote:(03-10-2013, 11:08 PM)Scott Wrote:(03-10-2013, 07:02 PM)Pipps Wrote: Thanks for the confirmation guys. I'll going for 60mm bolts and report back on the outcome.(03-10-2013, 02:03 PM)Scott Wrote: Measure the bolts that normally are used with Challengers, and then add 20mm to those, it's the only way to be 100% sure and confident that you're using the right length. Alternatively go for a stud and nut conversion.It feels like I'm banging my head against a brick wall here, are you still not getting that you're potentially buying the wrong bolts?
IIRC cyclone bolts fit with challengers (its the same flat seat and wheel thickness) so 20mm on a cyclone bolt is 57mm but cyclone bolts don't go all the way into the hub so 60mm bolts
Id be willing to bet that his 45mm bolts with 10mm spacers have only been going in about 4 turns
The bolts might well fit but then the thickness of the alloy could be greater on the challengers, hence me saying to just ignore cyclones and measure the standard bolts which should be used with the challengers
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Arron - 04-10-2013
Aye... get a cyclone bolt and challenger. Put the bolt in the challenger hole... tape measure.... voila!
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Pipps - 15-10-2013
I went for bolts with a 55mm thread in the end. I am using them with Challengers (that's the 6.5" 307 version) and 20mm spacers all round. The 55mm bolts seem to be perfect. They're getting in nice and deep, without rubbing at the back.
RE: Will extended wheel bolts be needed? - Eeyore - 15-10-2013
MY HEAD HURTS READING THIS....