Camber spacer rings ?? - Printable Version

Camber spacer rings ?? - Printable Version

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RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - cwspellowe - 04-09-2013

(04-09-2013, 07:46 PM)Rippthrough Wrote: If you leave the springs on, technically no suspension is independent, because the spring will twist the chassis...

So technically i'm right?

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - Rippthrough - 04-09-2013

Nope, because suspension is defined geometrically.
It's like pure physics, the theories describe plenty of basic concepts, that never happen in the real world...

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - cwspellowe - 04-09-2013

(04-09-2013, 11:04 PM)Rippthrough Wrote: Nope, because suspension is defined geometrically.
It's like pure physics, the theories describe plenty of basic concepts, that never happen in the real world...

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - Bender - 04-09-2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_beam_suspension Also known as twist beam, so if correct the 306 beam is semi independent set up.

Iv already modified 2 Peugeot cars for track but not my 306 yet for fast road use and know a fair bit already. I was looking for a cheap gain is all but it isn't possible so fcuk goes that idea. I'm telling you how I see it, if others call it active then fine the principle is still the same, each corner grip is completely independently working, actively working if that's what you want to hear lol.

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - cwspellowe - 04-09-2013

You just don't know the difference between a spigot ring and a spacer, and think that camber plates are a good idea on a 306.

How successful were your previous track excursions? lmao

In fact.. is this yours?

Clicky

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - Rippthrough - 04-09-2013

(04-09-2013, 11:14 PM)Bender Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_beam_suspension Also known as twist beam, so if correct the 306 beam is semi independent set up.

Iv already modified 2 Peugeot cars for track but not my 306 yet for fast road use and know a fair bit already. I was looking for a cheap gain is all but it isn't possible so fcuk goes that idea. I'm telling you how I see it, if others call it active then fine the principle is still the same, each corner grip is completely independently working, actively working if that's what you want to hear lol.

There are no production cars with fully active suspension. Hell, there are no race cars I know of with fully active suspension either.

And it's not a torsion beam either.

RE: Camber spigot rings ?? - Bender - 04-09-2013

Yeah whatever, so I wrote the wrong word down whoopee doo dahh, well blow me down you decide/judge my cars are shit cause of that, how sad. Most 80's pugs are the same, most can use many different parts to other models but im sure you know this already.

These are what I use on my main track car, 24 rear ARB with 22mm front ARB, rear B6 bilstein dampers, 22mm torsion bars. I use R888 tyres with 4.7 kg wheels etc. She handles very well indeed my friend. Iv also helped set up my friends 106 gti track car and she also handles very well too.

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/car-tuning/peugeot/peugeot-205/suspension/coilover-kits/peugeot-205-kw-inox-variant-2-coilovers.html

So what is it then, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_bar_suspension

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Jenkosowls - 05-09-2013

Torsion beam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_beam_suspension

Twist beam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-beam_rear_suspension

Torsion bar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_bar_suspension

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Grant - 05-09-2013

(04-09-2013, 11:14 PM)Bender Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_beam_suspension Also known as twist beam, so if correct the 306 beam is semi independent set up.

Iv already modified 2 Peugeot cars for track but not my 306 yet for fast road use and know a fair bit already. I was looking for a cheap gain is all but it isn't possible so fcuk goes that idea. I'm telling you how I see it, if others call it active then fine the principle is still the same, each corner grip is completely independently working, actively working if that's what you want to hear lol.

I would be inclined to just bite my tongue here if I were you mate. You clearly aren't as knowledgeable as you think you are/have been lead to believe.

Im not being rude, everyone has to lean, but your attitude is wrong mate. You are trying to slog it out with some of the most knowledgeable people on here. Just admit defeat and learn from the valuable advice people are trying to give you rather than argue the toss Smile

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Tom - 05-09-2013

Have a look a Ripps rosejointed blahblah space ready blahblah amazing wishbones! Then try and argue with him about suspension, that he makes, and it says in his sig.

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Bender - 05-09-2013

I know I like to call it completely independent suspension even if people call it active, so what, that does not mean I don't know how to set up a fooking track car nims.

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Grant - 05-09-2013

And if everyone called a dog a cat, the world would be a f*cking confusing place.

The English language exists for a reason. Things are named for a reason

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Rippthrough - 05-09-2013

(05-09-2013, 11:16 AM)Bender Wrote: I know I like to call it completely independent suspension even if people call it active, so what, that does not mean I don't know how to set up a fooking track car nims.

Well yer wrong.
And you're wrong about spacers, spigots and camber plates too. Wink

It's kinda hard to help someone when they're referring to a completely different thing to the rest of the English-speaking world and they don't know what suspension system is actually on their car.

How about instead of blustering with BS, you just ask people about things, instead of telling them in the wrong terms about the wrong systems and ending up in this big circle of "WTF?"

edit: I'm a happy person today, can anyone tell?

RE: Camber spacer rings ?? - Scott - 05-09-2013

(05-09-2013, 11:16 AM)Bender Wrote: I know I like to call it completely independent suspension even if people call it active, so what, that does not mean I don't know how to set up a fooking track car nims.

So you're asking questions about something, calling things by the wrong name, then being shitty with people for correcting you and not understanding that you meant something completely different? Right.

Thread locked. Enough of that. If you want to have a sensible discussion about suspension setup then please do some research and use the correct terms if you do actually know what they are.