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Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 10-08-2013
Heh, just wondering if these linings are asbestos?
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From googling asbestos is either white or blue not grey but thought I should just be sure.
I remember I had a cough after sanding them down for the MOT for a few days even though I faced away while I was sanding.
Need to know because they have been hanging around in my room for a few weeks.
Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Sambarker - 10-08-2013
Hope so
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - cully - 10-08-2013
old brake stuff including clutchs and exhust gaskets used to contain asbestos
all the new stuff wont
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 10-08-2013
From research apparently it was phased out in the 1980s? But the Peugeot owners manual still says brake components may contain asbestos, but the Haynes doesn't mention it in the brake shoe replacement guide. So I guess I can just chuck it in the normal rubbish then?
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Poodle - 10-08-2013
It's not asbestos.
You had a cough from either an unrelated source or because you weren't wearing a mask, facing away does bugger all lol.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - ginge191 - 11-08-2013
(10-08-2013, 03:02 PM)Sambarker Wrote: Hope so
QFT
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - C2K - 11-08-2013
It won't be asbestos, it was phased out before the 306 was even built.
And for what it is worth, asbestos causes long term health problems, suggest looking up how because it is a lot of suffering for anyone with asbestosis. You wouldn't be coughing now from anything other than dust.
It's rife in my industry of power gen, because it was used to insulate anything and everything in the 60s, 70s and early 80s
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Piggy - 11-08-2013
I used to have black boggies most nights after work at the garage...
am I going to die??
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 06:11 AM)C2K Wrote: It won't be asbestos, it was phased out before the 306 was even built.
And for what it is worth, asbestos causes long term health problems, suggest looking up how because it is a lot of suffering for anyone with asbestosis. You wouldn't be coughing now from anything other than dust.
It's rife in my industry of power gen, because it was used to insulate anything and everything in the 60s, 70s and early 80s
Yes I have seen videos of the old "working class" type men with the farmer hats working in clouds of it in factories. Just thought I should confirm that it was not what was in my brake shoes! Even though it didn't look like it. Quite a cruel fate, all it takes is one puff then you know in 15-20 years you would succumb.
(11-08-2013, 06:16 AM)Piggy Wrote: I used to have black boggies most nights after work at the garage...
am I going to die??
Heh, that just means you have been inhaling too much coal, no need to worry my son
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Piggy - 11-08-2013
I was being sarcastic. /fail
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 11-08-2013
I know. That is my sense of humour, it catches a lot of people out
Yes, basically my sense of humour is making myself look like an idiot and other people falling for it.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Piggy - 11-08-2013
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Niall - 11-08-2013
Actually there is a chance they could be asbestos. Although we limited it's use massively in the 80s here, there are still some countries that widely use it even today and there is no law stating it can't be shipped into this country except for in it's raw form.
If you really want to make sure they are safe, paint them in wallpaper paste. Sounds silly but that's even what the professionals use where needed. It seals together the top layer of fibres so that providing they aren't broken or punctured, it can't hurt you.
All of this is fresh in the mind for me as I did a refresher course a few weeks back at work and I tell you what, you dont realise how much of it is arround us today even in new production!
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - tigerstyle - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 08:34 AM)Niall Wrote: All of this is fresh in the mind for me as I did a refresher course a few weeks back at work and I tell you what, you dont realise how much of it is arround us today even in new production!
Examples of where it is still used, and what countries it comes from?
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Niall - 11-08-2013
Wait till I get home and I'll post up a bit from my course notes
I think there is a bit in there about brakes actually so if so, will write up a little safety guide.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 08:34 AM)Niall Wrote: Actually there is a chance they could be asbestos. Although we limited it's use massively in the 80s here, there are still some countries that widely use it even today and there is no law stating it can't be shipped into this country except for in it's raw form.
If you really want to make sure they are safe, paint them in wallpaper paste. Sounds silly but that's even what the professionals use where needed. It seals together the top layer of fibres so that providing they aren't broken or punctured, it can't hurt you.
All of this is fresh in the mind for me as I did a refresher course a few weeks back at work and I tell you what, you dont realise how much of it is arround us today even in new production!
I should imagine it would depend on how much of a percentage of asbestos they would contain. There is no visible asbestos in the material. But I have thrown them away now anyway so it's academic.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Niall - 11-08-2013
Visable asbestos? You realise right that asbestos fibres are literally microns in size hence why they can cause such damage to your lungs.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - tigerstyle - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 09:06 AM)Niall Wrote: Wait till I get home and I'll post up a bit from my course notes
I'm sure a google would help out, but if you have a bit of info from a known source of quality it'd be good to know! Cheers.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Niall - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 12:01 PM)tigerstyle Wrote:(11-08-2013, 09:06 AM)Niall Wrote: Wait till I get home and I'll post up a bit from my course notes
I'm sure a google would help out, but if you have a bit of info from a known source of quality it'd be good to know! Cheers.
The course was written by HSE anyway so i dont think it can get any more factual than that lol. Will write up a guide anyway on the basics as you might not come across much in a 306 but certainly will in other cars!
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 11-08-2013
(11-08-2013, 11:50 AM)Niall Wrote: Visable asbestos? You realise right that asbestos fibres are literally microns in size hence why they can cause such damage to your lungs.
Heh, yeah, but I was under the impression that the whole thing would be made of asbestos, hence why asbestos brakes are much more efficient than what they use nowadays. I know the replacement shoes didn't contain asbestos, but there is a chance that these shoes could have been the originals which was why I was querying. My car was manufactured in 96 though so I doubt it.
(11-08-2013, 12:12 PM)Niall Wrote:(11-08-2013, 12:01 PM)tigerstyle Wrote:(11-08-2013, 09:06 AM)Niall Wrote: Wait till I get home and I'll post up a bit from my course notes
I'm sure a google would help out, but if you have a bit of info from a known source of quality it'd be good to know! Cheers.
The course was written by HSE anyway so i dont think it can get any more factual than that lol. Will write up a guide anyway on the basics as you might not come across much in a 306 but certainly will in other cars!
Do you know if there is still asbestos used in clutches?
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Rippthrough - 11-08-2013
Even without abestos in, you shouldn't be breathing in brake dust from sanding them down, there's all sorts of microfibrous shit in there that's almost as bad.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - daddyfixit - 15-08-2013
asbestos for brake/clutch linings was banned in late 70's/early 80;s-----not early enough for me as i had then had enough time to inhale copious amounts of the stuff from hgv and cars at main dealerships as an apprentice....?
believe theres only 2 mines worldwide that still produce the stuff
but modern stuff still gives off reallly good sticky nosewipes !!
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Niall - 15-08-2013
(15-08-2013, 01:16 PM)daddyfixit Wrote: asbestos for brake/clutch linings was banned in late 70's/early 80;s-----not early enough for me as i had then had enough time to inhale copious amounts of the stuff from hgv and cars at main dealerships as an apprentice....?It is still used in brake linings mostly in the cheaper varieties albeit much lower quantities.
believe theres only 2 mines worldwide that still produce the stuff
but modern stuff still gives off reallly good sticky nosewipes !!
http://www.306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-16431.html
This should help
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 25-08-2013
That would mean that as soon as you remove the drum and shake the dust out you are f*cked though?:
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Rippthrough - 25-08-2013
Stop shaking the dust onto your tongue?
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Toms306 - 25-08-2013
Damn...all the tasty stuff is bad for you!
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - 306Puggy - 25-08-2013
It's only dangerous to inhale asbestos, not to ingest it. If you swallowed it would be rendered harmless because once it is wet it is inert.
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - cully - 25-08-2013
(25-08-2013, 07:18 PM)306Puggy Wrote: It's only dangerous to inhale asbestos, not to ingest it. If you swallowed it would be rendered harmless because once it is wet it is inert.
wrong!
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - Piggy - 25-08-2013
/facedesk
RE: Brake shoe linings? Asbestos? - daddyfixit - 25-08-2013
uk phased out asbestos in the 80's as they must have caught on that there was going to be a tidal wave of asbestos compensation claims due, in face my last 3 years of school were messed up due to certain sections of the buildings being found to contain asbestos ! specialists removed it over about 18 months, resulting in us being taught in portacabins littered all over the footy pitches.
following ripped off and pasted ;
Asbestos was widely used in pads for its heat resistance but, due to health risks, has been replaced with alternative materials, such as mineral fibers, cellulose, aramid, PAN, chopped glass, steel, and copper fibers. Depending on material properties, disc wear rates vary. The properties that determine material wear involve trade-offs between performance and longevity. Newer pads can be made of exotic materials like ceramics, aramid fibres, and other plastics.