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nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 27-06-2013
Looking to change a few things this yeat and one of the mains are the engine.
I got a phase 3 nad and want to drop in a xud.
Question is what is needed apart from engine and gearbox????
Thanks Matt
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 27-06-2013
thats it really.
if you get a dturbo lump with all the manifolds etc, all should be well.
would be worth fitting a fmic while you at it though!
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 27-06-2013
So wpuld i need wiring ??
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 27-06-2013
not if I recall, looms are same. I cant see what would be different with the loom.
you only need a couple of wires for a xud to run!
RE: nad to d turbo. - ginge191 - 27-06-2013
Phase 3 NAD? Is this not a NAD hdi?
Looms differ perhaps?
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 27-06-2013
Never heard of a nad hdi. Ill take a poc and will post tomorroq
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 28-06-2013
ginge....stop trolling. nad hdi!? since when?!
the phase 3 nad is a xud!!
RE: nad to d turbo. - ginge191 - 28-06-2013
Serious, no trolling..
I've never touched a phase 3. Nor have I touched a hdi. When I bought mine I was adverts for
"Hdi non turbo".
I couldn't be bothered looking into it.
They're the LX models?
RE: nad to d turbo. - mr_fish - 28-06-2013
thought the 1.9 NAD was a DW8?
RE: nad to d turbo. - ginge191 - 28-06-2013
wikipedia Wrote:Some base models made use of the DW8 normally aspirated diesel engine.
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RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 28-06-2013
may have a newer block. buts it identical to look at to the early xud nads and has indirect injection
RE: nad to d turbo. - baz306 - 28-06-2013
its a dw8 i have am going to be doing the same thing soon aswell
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 28-06-2013
dw8 block...im sure my ph1 dturbo block is a dw8
RE: nad to d turbo. - Mattcheese31 - 28-06-2013
(28-06-2013, 05:23 PM)Piggy Wrote: dw8 block...im sure my ph1 dturbo block is a dw8
do you mean D8a? . . .
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 29-06-2013
Is there some sort of guide on doing a swap??
RE: nad to d turbo. - pugtk - 30-06-2013
phase 3 is dw8, which i think is semi ecu, conversion should be straight forward
RE: nad to d turbo. - darrenjlobb - 30-06-2013
Mark (mr_fish) is right, the ph3 nads are dw8 based IDI, most are fitted with semi ecu lucas injection (ecu controls egr, injection timing, and idle)
nad to d turbo. - Sambarker - 30-06-2013
You will need the td front pipe and might be an idea to get bonnet liner if your keeping it tmic
RE: nad to d turbo. - Chris - 30-06-2013
IMO I'd recommend doing a hdi swap not a XUD.
You'll need the engine,engine loom, engine bay loom, ecu with imob items and preferably the dials too, to do the swap but thats it, probably take a extra 2 hours to change the bay loom but well worth it imo
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 30-06-2013
my mates gota 51 plate nad....bosch pump, no ecu control at all
nad to d turbo. - Sambarker - 30-06-2013
(30-06-2013, 01:04 PM)Chris Wrote: IMO I'd recommend doing a hdi swap not a XUD.
You'll need the engine,engine loom, engine bay loom, ecu with imob items and preferably the dials too, to do the swap but thats it, probably take a extra 2 hours to change the bay loom but well worth it imo
Why would you need immobiliser stuff? Ruan went from a ph3 gti6 to a dt and that was straight forward enough so going ph3 nad to dt would surely be even easier
RE: nad to d turbo. - lolsteve - 30-06-2013
Aren't the dw8 pretty poor engines?
Would it be the same principle as the hdi -> xud conversions people have been doing recently
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 01-07-2013
Has anybody done this swap before
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 01-07-2013
Im planning on it with my mates nad pretty soon, and I check it all out and it looks easy peasy.
xuds run on a few wires compared to the rats nest on a hdi
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 01-07-2013
Cool. Because i keep on getting mixes reviews and i dont want to buy a engine then being told NO
RE: nad to d turbo. - ginge191 - 01-07-2013
(01-07-2013, 06:46 AM)toughmat Wrote: Cool. Because i keep on getting mixes reviews and i dont want to buy a engine then being told NO
You'll always get mixed reviews with XUD/HDi engines; it's personal preference.
Personally, i prefer XUD's for the simplicity and lack of electrics, but people like Chris, prefer HDi's for the simplicity of "plug and play" tunability.
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 01-07-2013
Xud engine and box all as one, get the pipework etc too..when I looked at my mates nad it looked like no changes to loom were needed.
while you there you have two options, change to FMIC or if sticking with TMIC then the bonnet soundproofing/TMIC vent will be needed too
no dials to change etc
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 01-07-2013
What is a decent price for a engine and gearbox xud of course
RE: nad to d turbo. - Piggy - 01-07-2013
100-150 if comes with all ancilliaries
RE: nad to d turbo. - toughmat - 01-07-2013
Ok thanks for the info. Just need a hand fitting one now lol