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RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 24-02-2014
(24-02-2014, 12:38 PM)martyn92 Wrote: Cant wait to see this finished, didnt think it was going to happen when I read the first 2 pages or so. Its one of my favourite threads now
Yeah things did go off on a tangent abit like.
(24-02-2014, 04:13 PM)7057sam Wrote: This looks so epic
Great job so far
Cheers
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 24-02-2014
I have no f*cking clue.... but it looks good.
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Engine Cradle - Wishbone Support
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Were it tapers off at the back.. The very end of the tube is were the back of seats will be. and the swing arm of the end..like this
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RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - cully - 24-02-2014
i dont see how your going to keep this under 400kg
the engine gearbox and running gear alone has got to be near 300kg without your steal tube chassis
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 24-02-2014
(24-02-2014, 08:31 PM)cully Wrote: i dont see how your going to keep this under 400kg
the engine gearbox and running gear alone has got to be near 300kg without your steal tube chassis
needs to be 450kg or under
Engine is 180kg tops?
Frame up to now is only 21kg and there is only a little more cradle to go around the engine and seats
Drive shafts / hubs I'v yet to measure. the uprights (hub carrys) will be swapped out for aluminum uprights if needs be. 1/5th weight of the cast iron uprights.
Seats will be folded aluminum sheet, padded of course. Or fiberglass whatever is cost effective at the time.. Max 10-15kg with rails.
Nuts and bolts and various mounts 20kg MAX
Wheels. 10kg each. (Not sure if thats with or without tyres) Back one will be slightly more.
So say 280kg up to now? That leaves 120kg for Drive shafts/tyres? and an extra 50kg for being totally off with my calculations and it end up being a 2 tonne monster.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Grant - 24-02-2014
I wouldn't be so sure.
A bare Gti engine weighs ~125kg. Add a ~40kg box to that, then all the auxiliaries, and in your case a turbo etc you've gotta be looking at the wrong side of ~200kg.
But then arguably you won't have power steering?
Or air con
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 24-02-2014
(24-02-2014, 10:12 PM)Grant Wrote: I wouldn't be so sure.
A bare Gti engine weighs ~125kg. Add a ~40kg box to that, then all the auxiliaries, and in your case a turbo etc you've gotta be looking at the wrong side of ~200kg.
But then arguably you won't have power steering?
Or air con
Power steering maybe be coming off as it may be over kill...
Of course i will have air con.. Directly in to my face.. *click lid visor open*
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Xud Missile - 24-02-2014
Nice to see the chassis coming along
Dunno if these figures are any use.. I found my weighbridge slip recently and my MK is 640kg with about half a tank of fuel (10l). My chassis weighs approx 75kg. My gbox is a bit heavier than a 306 and I've got the diff/sierra drive shafts at the back which are quite weighty, and an extra wheel, my cobra seats are heavier than fibreglass ones but they're not too bad. 450kg will be a challenge. Nothing wrong with a challenge though
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 24-02-2014
(24-02-2014, 10:43 PM)Xud Missile Wrote: Nice to see the chassis coming along
Dunno if these figures are any use.. I found my weighbridge slip recently and my MK is 640kg with about half a tank of fuel (10l). My chassis weighs approx 75kg. My gbox is a bit heavier than a 306 and I've got the diff/sierra drive shafts at the back which are quite weighty, and an extra wheel, my cobra seats are heavier than fibreglass ones but they're not too bad. 450kg will be a challenge. Nothing wrong with a challenge though
Your rear diff is 200kg alone.. honest haha
Were do you find weighbridges? at the scrappys?
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Xud Missile - 24-02-2014
Haha, yeah local metal yard let me use their bridge for a fiver
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Tom - 24-02-2014
Lol i just take some scrap with me and i end up getting paid to use the weigh bridge haha
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 25-02-2014
Recap of what i need to do / buy before I get a test ride.
Buy --
Some kind of seat.
Steering wheel.
Brakes/lines.
Foot pedals.
wheels/tyres.
Wishbone bushings.
Front and Rear shocks.
Things to do.
Make / attach wishbones.
make up rear swing arm.
Mount engine
Mount steering
Mount your mother
Mount Wheels
Mount a seat
I'm probs missing a lot here.....
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - martyn92 - 25-02-2014
May has missed it, but wheres the battery going ? im guessing you can use a smallerish one? Lights?
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 25-02-2014
(25-02-2014, 10:15 PM)martyn92 Wrote: May has missed it, but wheres the battery going ? im guessing you can use a smallerish one? Lights?
This is just a list for the test. Batt will be a normal one at first. under the passenger seat or something to counteract a much as i can of me sitting on the right.
Lights will be going on waaaay after the test.. if it works.
XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Dean - 26-02-2014
There's a public weighbridge in seghill James. And I'll be breaking my 306 up when i find a replacement.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Rippthrough - 27-02-2014
That geometery looks like it's going to have terrible bump steer. That's also a fair bit of scrub, you might want to keep the power steering...
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 27-02-2014
(27-02-2014, 07:06 PM)Rippthrough Wrote: That geometery looks like it's going to have terrible bump steer. That's also a fair bit of scrub, you might want to keep the power steering...
Like I said.. I have no f*cking clue
Tbh any help would be appreciated
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Rippthrough - 28-02-2014
For what you're doing, you'd be better off keeping the struts and standard front geometry.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Grant - 28-02-2014
What did you use to get the diagram of the Geometry?
Coming along nicely
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 28-02-2014
(28-02-2014, 09:29 AM)Rippthrough Wrote: For what you're doing, you'd be better off keeping the struts and standard front geometry.
Struts as in the springs? ... if i kept them i would have even more trouble trying to mouth the top ends :\
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Rippthrough - 28-02-2014
No, as in the whole strut/upright assembly, just keep the stock geometery since you're using standard shafts and rack...
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
(28-02-2014, 09:46 PM)Rippthrough Wrote: No, as in the whole strut/upright assembly, just keep the stock geometery since you're using standard shafts and rack...
True, I was thinking of getting a sub frame + wishbones from a 306.. and fabbing up an upper control arm, nothing major is welded in place yet, so it can change if needed. (Just waiting on dean so i can take his car to bits
)
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Piggy - 01-03-2014
Fyi: xud engines weigh a fair bit less than 125kg and surely a gearbox isnt 40kg?!
Crack on bud
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
(01-03-2014, 07:34 AM)Piggy Wrote: Fyi: xud engines weigh a fair bit less than 125kg and surely a gearbox isnt 40kg?!
Crack on bud
Its all contradicting!! I'm going for that it weighs on the heavy side, that will make sure i don't go over weight in the end
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Tom - 01-03-2014
Can the vehicle weigh 450 on its own? Im guess it wouldnt be illegal if it was over 450 with you in it... Just asking because people are heavy lol.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
(01-03-2014, 11:11 AM)Tom Wrote: Can the vehicle weigh 450 on its own? Im guess it wouldnt be illegal if it was over 450 with you in it... Just asking because people are heavy lol.
It could be up to 1000kg - But then only the old type car license could ride it
My motorbike licence only lets me ride a trike thats up to 450kg in weight
450kg unladen so no passengers, but needs half tank of fuel, oil ect.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Tom - 01-03-2014
Yeah that makes sense, question answered cheers
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
(01-03-2014, 11:33 AM)Tom Wrote: Yeah that makes sense, question answered cheers
No probs bud. Off in to the garage.
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
Some more pictures for you, Making sure the frame will fit.
The swing arm is there for a test. a new one will be made to fit a wider section wheel.
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RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Grant - 01-03-2014
(01-03-2014, 07:34 AM)Piggy Wrote: ...and surely a gearbox isnt 40kg?!
Have you ever changed a clutch?!
RE: XUD TDT- Status = Frame Building - Wor Jimmy - 01-03-2014
(01-03-2014, 06:15 PM)Grant Wrote:(01-03-2014, 07:34 AM)Piggy Wrote: ...and surely a gearbox isnt 40kg?!
Have you ever changed a clutch?!
Dean did his back in last time we did a clutch lol