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RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jenkosowls - 14-02-2014
What sizes we talking about?
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 06:10 AM)Jenkosowls Wrote: What sizes we talking about?
As I said on the last post Mate I haven't got anything that will measure that small
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - mcglynn - 14-02-2014
A vernier caliper will measure to 0.1mm
Can be picked up on ebay if thats any use, micrometer would be cheap enough aswell if the vernier isnt small enough increments.
Both cheap enough to get although may not be very accurate tolerances at the cheaper end of the price scale.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
I have a vernier caliper but only does it in 0.2mm and the shims need to be to 0.05mm, i see how i get on with my bodge with the grinder tomorrow.
In other news i now have a log book for the car
so this means the next time i get stressed with it, its highly possible i could scrap it ha ha!
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - mcglynn - 14-02-2014
Lol dont be so silly
Stop thinking of its worth in monetry value, as youll just get depressed (I do it all the time with my 306 & think what I could have saved up for and had) but then I wouldn't have a quick 306
)As much as it pains me to think of/add up costs its all a bit of fun
the niggles will.be there with any car.Get yourself a micrometer or a DTI and a flat metal surface. I havent even priced them ill check now
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
I think once engine is in and running and it's all ok I will be alot happier, but I have no faith in my engine building skills, time will tell see how I get on tomorrow with it.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - mcglynn - 14-02-2014
Micrometer in a cheaper version will do your .01 mm and will be a good tool to have to accurately measure anything in future. ~ £8-9
Tools are always an investment if theyre quality tools
Draper digital one can be had for £30 which is steep enough if ull never use it again.
Stick at it, I thought a clutch was a hard job before doing mine.
The fact your trying it is a great start and its an experience all the same.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
Will have to look when I get chance, and yer I'm doing it my self to learn think that's best way. Just have to see how it all goes, I'm sure once it's running and up to its full potential I will fall in love with it untill then I will hate it as much as poss
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jenkosowls - 14-02-2014
dont go grinding shims youl make then weak with the heat then theyl just wear super quick
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 03:40 PM)Jenkosowls Wrote: dont go grinding shims youl make then weak with the heat then theyl just wear super quick
Ok so we're do I get new ones from then?
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jenkosowls - 14-02-2014
good engine shops like the place you had it skimmed theryl probably have them readily available
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 03:46 PM)Jenkosowls Wrote: good engine shops like the place you had it skimmed theryl probably have them readily available
Ok still think I will grind them get them to the size needed, then can take them to the engine shop and ask for same size as them.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jenkosowls - 14-02-2014
But youve said you have no correct way of measuring them...
Service box is showing valve shim sizes
were talking very very very small differences that you cant get with a grinder. give the engine shop a call they may only want a small fee to give correct shims and fitting. Better playing safe with the cost so far
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 03:52 PM)Jenkosowls Wrote: But youve said you have no correct way of measuring them...
Service box is showing valve shim sizes
were talking very very very small differences that you cant get with a grinder. give the engine shop a call they may only want a small fee to give correct shims and fitting. Better playing safe with the cost so far
But there not going to no what shims I need, cos I'm guessing there not all the same, seen as I've re-ground the valve in meaning the might sit higher by a tiny fraction, the only way there gonna no what shims are needed is by leaving the head with them for them to measure it and fit the right shims, that means stripping the engine to bits again, and more money for there service/bits.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - powerandtorque - 14-02-2014
Measure what you've got, add/subtract the difference between the current clearance and the desired clearance, and you'll know the size shim that you need.
Given the tolerances involved, a set of digital verniers is going to be accurate enough to measure the shims with and they're only a few quid to buy if you don't know anyone with a set. They're a very useful tool to have and a worthy addition to a tool collection.
Peugeot do shims in various sizes, but they're not the cheapest and I would imagine that they're all going to be special order given that most engines in the last 10+ years have had hydraulic tappets. A local engine builder would probably be a better bet in terms of both off the shelf availability and pricing.
I do have a selection of shims from doing various XU 8v engines over the years that I can look through if you get really stuck.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - mcglynn - 14-02-2014
He hasnt got anything to measure them with as he said, im assuming its being done with feeler gauges and trial & error...?
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jenkosowls - 14-02-2014
service box shows shims cost <£10 per valve.... expensive!
I would have offered to machine some up but these really do need to hardened still. its hard enough getting tollerences bang on a lathe let alone a grinder.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-Digital-Caliper-Vernier-Gauge-Electronic-Measurement-Micrometer-150mm-Depth-/321310210860?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item4acf94bb2c
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - powerandtorque - 14-02-2014
Christ they've gone up - they used to be less than a fiver 2-3 years back and even then they were over twice the price of the local engine builder. Over £10 per shim is bordering on daylight robbery!
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 04:37 PM)mcglynn Wrote: He hasnt got anything to measure them with as he said, im assuming its being done with feeler gauges and trial & error...?
As you said I haven't got anything that fine to measure them with, feeler gauge and trail and error is the way I've done one of the shims, and it's worked fine. Will see how I get on with it tomorrow.
Thanks for the advice guys.
Tbh if I hadn't fitted the head I would have just taken that to the engine shop got them to sort it but now head fitted means stripping it down again if worst comes to worst I will have to do that.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - mcglynn - 14-02-2014
Learning curve buddy, learning curve!
Ive never had a head off and im due to attempt a headgasket on a mates a3 tdi in the next few weeks. Shall be fun lol!
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 14-02-2014
(14-02-2014, 05:05 PM)mcglynn Wrote: Learning curve buddy, learning curve!
Ive never had a head off and im due to attempt a headgasket on a mates a3 tdi in the next few weeks. Shall be fun lol!
It defo is best way to learn is by doing it
somethings I won't touch tho like Bosch pump leave that to the professionals aka Jenks
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 15-02-2014
Update
Sorted the shims after lots of messing and using the shims out the old engine i got them right in the end, finished bolting most things on and then put it in car will let the pics do the talking
t2 vs gt20
![[Image: 205engine13_zpsc075ead5.jpg]](http://s552.photobucket.com/user/mazda_323f/media/205engine13_zpsc075ead5.jpg.html)
how far had to carry engine well this was just the back garden had to go round the side and to the drive
![[Image: 205engine12_zpse31beef7.jpg]](http://s552.photobucket.com/user/mazda_323f/media/205engine12_zpse31beef7.jpg.html)
![[Image: 205engine11_zpsaf3e9448.jpg]](http://s552.photobucket.com/user/mazda_323f/media/205engine11_zpsaf3e9448.jpg.html)
And its in
![[Image: 205engine10_zpsacb144b4.jpg]](http://s552.photobucket.com/user/mazda_323f/media/205engine10_zpsacb144b4.jpg.html)
So loads to still get done but least its in the car now.......
Comments welcome
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Tom - 15-02-2014
You didnt put the belt covers on first?!
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Jimbo - 15-02-2014
Wheres the cambelt covers??
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 15-02-2014
(15-02-2014, 03:21 PM)Tom Wrote: You didnt put the belt covers on first?!
(15-02-2014, 03:22 PM)Jimbo Wrote: Wheres the cambelt covers??
2 reasons one is the bolts/nuts you gave me tom with the covers dont fit none of them so no bolts for them even the bottom cover is only resting there, and second reason is i want to be able to see the cambelt when i first start it to make sure its ok when spinning round.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Tom - 15-02-2014
(15-02-2014, 03:22 PM)Jimbo Wrote: Wheres the cambelt covers??
In a box from me that he got from me yesturday
Hmm well that seems odd. What do you mean fit? Dont thread in? dont fit in the covers? I almost 100% sure that the bottom belt cover had those 2 little 10mm's in.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 15-02-2014
(15-02-2014, 03:26 PM)Tom Wrote:(15-02-2014, 03:22 PM)Jimbo Wrote: Wheres the cambelt covers??
In a box from me that he got from me yesturday
Hmm well that seems odd. What do you mean fit? Dont thread in? dont fit in the covers? I almost 100% sure that the bottom belt cover had those 2 little 10mm's in.
read the comment above yours
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Tom - 15-02-2014
That doesnt really explain how they "dont fit", its not very specific...
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - Chris_90 - 15-02-2014
(15-02-2014, 03:32 PM)Tom Wrote: That doesnt really explain how they "dont fit", its not very specific...
How more specific do you want me to be?! The bolts don't fit some are to long some are wrong thread etc
Doesn't matter I will look for some next time I go to scrappy.
Edit I didn't see your edit of your last comment.
RE: 205 GLD Sleeper :) - ginge191 - 15-02-2014
(15-02-2014, 03:26 PM)Chris_90 Wrote: and second reason is i want to be able to see the cambelt when i first start it to make sure its ok when spinning round.
this is a fair good idea; when i did my belt first time there was slack somewhere along the line which i wouldn't have seen otherwise. Could see the slack from the amount of up and down movement on the belt when it was running but couldn't be felt when not running.
The covers aren't particularly hard to fit when the engine is in ...