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RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - allanallen - 08-08-2015
(07-08-2015, 09:13 PM)darrenjlobb Wrote: You can get the complete kit (plate and pressure plate) for under 150 with ease, so I dont see how there charging 200 for a pressure plate?
I'm going off the info in this thread, Mrbigmac said kit was £300 and ruan said a solid friction plate was about £100........
(08-08-2015, 12:16 AM)Paul Baldwin Wrote:(05-08-2015, 07:29 PM)allanallen Wrote: The OP says it's a daily, a daily to me is something reliable that doesn't need constant attention. That would rule out paddle clutches altogether for me. opinions are like arseholes though, so there's mine for you.
Zx_Volcanes been running a CG clutch for a fair while in his daily driver, it's been that long I can't remember if it's sprung or un-sprung. Apart from it being a bit sharper than a standard clutch and needing a few extra revs to take off it's perfectly liveable with imo. He's done thousands of miles on it including London driving. Not bad considering it's 250bhp+ and 350ftlb+
It's fairly apparent from this thread that most of you guys are running paddle friction plates with standard pressure plates which I'm sure has a large effect on how they drive compared to the ones I've used. I think the AP one I used had nearly double the clamping force of an o.e clutch!
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 08-08-2015
(07-08-2015, 09:13 PM)darrenjlobb Wrote: You can get the complete kit (plate and pressure plate) for under 150 with ease, so I dont see how there charging 200 for a pressure plate?
Wow. May give them another call. They quoted me £150 delivered for just the friction plate earlier this week.
Sprung vs un sprung. - zx_volcane - 08-08-2015
I've got a CG sprung paddle
It has taken untold abuse for tens of thousands of miles, I wouldn't be surprised if it's done 30k+
Very mixed driving, including a lot of start stop traffic, which I just know is raping the clutch.
Small amount of judder, but nothing to write home about
Holding 360+ ft/lbs no troubles
I also had the flywheel surfaced before fitting.
I have seen CG clutches that have supposedly been fitted for a very short time that looked in a very sorry state. But it must be said that isn't my personal experience, and I don't know how they've been fitted ..etc
All in, an absolute bargain clutch kit for very little money that has stood up to a ton of abuse and beyond what CG themselves rated it for.
Prob cheaper than a clutch kit for anything even remotely modern with a hydro / dmf setup.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - shervo - 08-08-2015
I know this is in the xud sections but for people running stage 2 and above hdi's would it hold more power converting to the xud setup of a pull clutch or sticking with a push type clutch from cg?
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - fatlapit - 09-08-2015
I use a helix in mine with no problems wat so ever. It never slips or judders. Just feels a bit heavier and sharper than standard.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 09-08-2015
I wanna know where this cg for 150 from
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - darrenjlobb - 10-08-2015
Just E-Mail / Ring them!! There pricing system seems to vary very much on your haggling skills...
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 10-08-2015
Rang them today and they said 280 without vat and wouldnt budge on their price lol
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - darrenjlobb - 10-08-2015
Hm thats ridiculous, I know of many people on here who have got them for much less than that, around half that infact... Did you speak to Mick or Andrew?
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 10-08-2015
I spoke to lindsy or linda. Something like that. Jist the friction plate though. May see if i can push for a pressure plate as well. If enough interest we could put in multiple orders for a discount.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - darrenjlobb - 10-08-2015
Hm you need to speak to one of the above, mention the forum etc...
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 10-08-2015
Will give them another try tomorrow.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Dum-Dum - 11-08-2015
Only skim read this but check what the clutch springs are rated to. Most including the CG and Valeo are only rated to 280lb/ft and if you are running past that as you almost certainly are then you will snap springs. Also at 280lb/ft you lock the springs solid and effectively have an un sprung clutch anyway.
Unsprung is not bad to drive even in traffic, you probably won't notice much of a difference and it's one less thing to go wrong.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Rippthrough - 11-08-2015
That's the only trouble with a sprung clutch tbh - they're just not designed for the amount of torque, and without modifying the springs and seats they will just go solid - that's when bad things happen.
Generally they're cheaper if they're overstocked on something, but linda is mick's missus, and they sit next to each other in the office, so she's clued up.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 11-08-2015
So spoke to them again today. Linda again. Who i spoke to last time. She seems to know her stuff. £250 plus delivery is lowest with pressure plate.
Im assuming the pressure plate is uprated with a higher clamping force. Better be foe an extra £100
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 11-08-2015
Just literally got off the phone with them. Spoke to Andy. Got me £250 all in delivered with mention of 306oc. 4 Paddle Unsprung with Pressute plate. Got it ordered as i need one.
Does anyone happen to know the bedding in time with them? 1000 miles at normal driving? Can't remember.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Paul Baldwin - 11-08-2015
http://www.clutch-specialists.co.uk/info-faqs#breaking
Bottom of the page.
Sorry if it muddys the waters even more but regarding the springs binding past rated torque. The ZX has been running 25%+ beyond peak rated torque for thousands of miles on a sprung clutch. Power delivery is pretty linear tho thanks to the controller and Tom's efforts, this may have something to do with it?
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 11-08-2015
(11-08-2015, 12:18 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: Just literally got off the phone with them. Spoke to Andy. Got me £250 all in delivered with mention of 306oc. 4 Paddle Unsprung with Pressute plate. Got it ordered as i need one.
Does anyone happen to know the bedding in time with them? 1000 miles at normal driving? Can't remember.
When you get yours through take a pic of the pressure plate so we can have a look what its like.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 11-08-2015
(11-08-2015, 01:25 PM)bashbarnard Wrote:(11-08-2015, 12:18 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: Just literally got off the phone with them. Spoke to Andy. Got me £250 all in delivered with mention of 306oc. 4 Paddle Unsprung with Pressute plate. Got it ordered as i need one.
Does anyone happen to know the bedding in time with them? 1000 miles at normal driving? Can't remember.
When you get yours through take a pic of the pressure plate so we can have a look what its like.
I will do
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 11-08-2015
cheers dude.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 14-08-2015
Come on. Hurry up for your cg clutch to come through! I wanna see it.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Frosty - 14-08-2015
Im not all that sure on the cg pressure plates, they have some grooves in the and are painted other than that they dont really look any different. Im not 100% sure though, they do say they are uprated though
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 14-08-2015
Hence why id like some pictures as well as im probably gonna run the stock pressure plate.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Frosty - 14-08-2015
Well heres a couple of pics of hdi cg pressure plates
![[Image: B1E9E766-7272-489F-A6B4-8698BBECEDAF_zpstykvuftt.jpg]](http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/nufc4frosty/media/B1E9E766-7272-489F-A6B4-8698BBECEDAF_zpstykvuftt.jpg.html)
![[Image: E05DC7C0-87B2-47F7-894C-62C2ABA9403B_zpsqfxmr82y.jpg]](http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/nufc4frosty/media/E05DC7C0-87B2-47F7-894C-62C2ABA9403B_zpsqfxmr82y.jpg.html)
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 14-08-2015
So they are both different? And both cg?
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - Frosty - 14-08-2015
Yeah, 1s the 1 i had issue with it hitting inside the gearbox though
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 14-08-2015
Ah the second hand brand new one you bought. The right one looks like a standard jobbie painted black with grooves machined in.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - zx_volcane - 14-08-2015
Think the CG pressure plates are standard apart from the paint and grooves tbh - clutch isn't any heavier to suggest a higher clamping force
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - ADV_93 - 14-08-2015
I have a picture but damn uploader wont work so ill try again later. The friction plate itself is a pretty cool look piece of kit.
HOWEVER. STAMPED ON THE PRESSURE PLATE. IN CAPITALS.
VALEO. Just with the same grooves as what are shown on Frosty's too.
RE: Sprung vs un sprung. - bashbarnard - 14-08-2015
Thats what i thought. And as i have a brand new valeo pressure plate anyway i wont buy the full kit. Ill buy the friction plate. So it looks like they just machine in some grooves.