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RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Chris_90 - 09-10-2013

(09-10-2013, 07:44 PM)Martin306 Wrote:
(09-10-2013, 10:09 AM)Chris_90 Wrote: Did the glow plugs twice and it started faster than normal. Still a bit of delay but I'm sure I can live with it.

Thanks for all the advice guys Smile

Well, in my first reply I did say it'll be the poor fuel quality Tongue

At least you know the fix for that. i.e ulsd and a bit of 2 stroke.

It'll probably be unbearable below 0, mine was anyway. flattened the battery one morning, luckily I keep a spare on trickle charge in the shed.

I no you keep going on about poor quality Fuel but 65p a liter sod paying pump prices for it to start that 20seconds quicker lol I may look in to a twin tank set up so I can run derv on start up and switch to Veg Oil once engine has warmed up. But undecied on that idea yet

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Piggy - 09-10-2013

just shove in 5litres of derv for every 30 of veg!!

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Martin306 - 09-10-2013

All you need is a 10 litre tank for starting on normal derv, oh and stopping Tongue you'd need to switch to white a few minutes before you switch off, obviously Smile

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Piggy - 09-10-2013

and for all that hassle just chuck a couple litres of derv each time you veg up!!

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Chris_90 - 09-10-2013

(09-10-2013, 08:11 PM)Piggy Wrote: just shove in 5litres of derv for every 30 of veg!!

That's my first plan when it gets colder, but guy I buy the Veg Oil off thinks I will have to have it 50/50 when it's colder, hope I don't have to lol hate buying derv at 136p when I no I can run it for 65p a liter lol

(09-10-2013, 08:12 PM)Martin306 Wrote: All you need is a 10 litre tank for starting on normal derv, oh and stopping Tongue you'd need to switch to white a few minutes before you switch off, obviously Smile

Yer it's the set up of it I need to get my head round and if I can do it on the cheap cos don't wanna be spending £££'s for it

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Martin306 - 09-10-2013

2 way valve, jerry can with a few holes in it strapped in the boot.

cheap cheap Tongue

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Chris_90 - 09-10-2013

(09-10-2013, 08:17 PM)Martin306 Wrote: 2 way valve, jerry can with a few holes in it strapped in the boot.

cheap cheap Tongue

Links to two way valve?

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Martin306 - 09-10-2013

(09-10-2013, 08:22 PM)Chris_90 Wrote:
(09-10-2013, 08:17 PM)Martin306 Wrote: 2 way valve, jerry can with a few holes in it strapped in the boot.

cheap cheap Tongue

Links to two way valve?
No idea, just a tank swithching valve.

I've seen them used in aircraft, for switching between left and right wing fuel tanks. Smile

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Chris_90 - 09-10-2013

(09-10-2013, 08:23 PM)Martin306 Wrote:
(09-10-2013, 08:22 PM)Chris_90 Wrote:
(09-10-2013, 08:17 PM)Martin306 Wrote: 2 way valve, jerry can with a few holes in it strapped in the boot.

cheap cheap Tongue

Links to two way valve?
No idea, just a tank swithching valve.

I've seen them used in aircraft, for switching between left and right wing fuel tanks. Smile

I've looked but carnt seem to find them. Will have a look some other time there's no rush got a million other problems to sort first Sad

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Piggy - 09-10-2013

I have never had to run 50/50 even through these last few -10 winters.

75/20/5 veg/derv/petrol is my winter mix. with splash of two stroke and few drops.of cetane booster

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

So this morning wouldnt start what so ever ended up killing the battery, starting to think its either the pump or the oil isnt right, got derv in it now for time being so see if it starts ok in morning, but gonna try some oil from booker and see what its like then.

what do you guys think?

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Piggy - 10-10-2013

First try derv.
If it starts fine then you can say for quite sure its the oil.

I would be interested to ask what type of oil it is you been using, soya, sunflower...etc

Veg can also be worse with any small air ingress issues...dont know why, just is. Buts thats bad if it wouldnt go at all. Did you try hand pumping the fuel?

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

(10-10-2013, 11:01 AM)Chris_90 Wrote: [quote='Piggy' pid='339766' dateline='1381401938']
First try derv.
If it starts fine then you can say for quite sure its the oil.

I would be interested to ask what type of oil it is you been using, soya, sunflower...etc

Veg can also be worse with any small air ingress issues...dont know why, just is. Buts thats bad if it wouldnt go at all. Did you try hand pumping the fuel?

Yer the hand pump went solid very quickly, that's what's makeing me think it's not air that's an issue?

I'm not sure on what oil it is Will have to try and find out, it was abit colder last night so guessing that's what has caused the issue this morning.

I got a tow tho and it bumped first time had to keep my foot on revs to to keep it going. After 30 seconds of reving it, it held its self then Undecided

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Piggy - 10-10-2013

sounds just like veg to me.

double check the resitances on the glowies tho...maybe something is burning them out.
.but my bet is veg

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

(10-10-2013, 12:39 PM)Piggy Wrote: sounds just like veg to me.

double check the resitances on the glowies tho...maybe something is burning them out.
.but my bet is veg

Need to get my self a multimeter so I can test them. Will see how it goes tomorrow morning from cold now it's got derv it (it's mixed like 25liters Veg 13liters derv)

When you say it's the Veg do you think it's the filtered veg oil causing it or if I have new oil it will be same?

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Martin306 - 10-10-2013

Run straight derv, you'll have to wait a while before the white gets drawn through to the pump though. So you'll need to wait at least a day after putting white in to see Smile

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

(10-10-2013, 07:07 PM)Martin306 Wrote: Run straight derv, you'll have to wait a while before the white gets drawn through to the pump though. So you'll need to wait at least a day after putting white in to see Smile

I do 100miles a night I'm sure it's mixed up after them 100miles stop start around town up and over bumps several times etc.

But the true Test will be in the morning

I don't wanna run straight derv as I want to save money

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Tom - 10-10-2013

Petrol helps!

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

(10-10-2013, 07:36 PM)Tom Wrote: Petrol helps!

I no people put petrol in but I just have this weird feeling that if I put petrol in its not gonna end well lol I might give it ago but carnt say I like the idea Undecided

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Tom - 10-10-2013

Thats what i put in my veg, thins it right out!

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Piggy - 10-10-2013

5% petrol with a splash of two stroke is fine
(in fact I think in the ph1 pug manual it says about putting a bit of petrol in during very cold winters!)

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 10-10-2013

(10-10-2013, 08:15 PM)Tom Wrote: Thats what i put in my veg, thins it right out!

(10-10-2013, 08:26 PM)Piggy Wrote: 5% petrol with a splash of two stroke is fine
(in fact I think in the ph1 pug manual it says about putting a bit of petrol in during very cold winters!)

Ok well see how it gets on with derv in now and maybe I will try petrol with Veg next time.

Will update in morning see if I get it stuck on drive again with a flat battery (I hope not) right ball ache haveing drive on a down ward slope

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 11-10-2013

So first start this morning, started first turn of the no hesitation what so ever. So think I'm gonna start mixing it but will try with petrol.

How much petrol should I put in to 40 liters of Veg?

Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Sambarker - 11-10-2013

I always ran 90% veg 10% perv

Lose a bit of performance mind

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Martin306 - 11-10-2013

About a gallon of petrol to the rest of the tank with veg will do. Big Grin

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 15-10-2013

Thought i would update this i have just filled up with 5 liters petrol, approx 30liters veg and 200ml of 2 stroke. (there was quarter of a tank left of the derv/veg mix)

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So i will update agin in the morning see if it starts ok.

Is that mix ok what ive done??

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Martin306 - 15-10-2013

Is the mix okay?

On your engine, who knows Tongue it should run, if that's what you mean.

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Piggy - 15-10-2013

that mix seems fine...if a little too much petrol.

I use a litre of petrol for ever 20 of veg...but will go up to 2 litres soon for cold mornings.

5litres of petrol for 30litres of veg seems too much to me Undecided

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Chris_90 - 15-10-2013

(15-10-2013, 09:04 PM)Piggy Wrote: that mix seems fine...if a little too much petrol.

I use a litre of petrol for ever 20 of veg...but will go up to 2 litres soon for cold mornings.

5litres of petrol for 30litres of veg seems too much to me Undecided

I was thinking this that it was to much like 3 liters to 30liters is right??

RE: Changeing glow plugs on 106 nad/ Starting problems - Tom - 15-10-2013

5 liters is a bit to much no harm though, I'm always 3litres with 30. I'm mix it into the veg cans and shake em up then pour it in as one. Helps keen the veg tubs clean and you can see the thickness as you pour it.